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This will supercharge artists, it won’t replace them because details matter and when you need to get it just right, you cannot just keep rolling the dice by “pr

by m3kw9 4y ago

This will supercharge artists, it won’t replace them because details matter and when you need to get it just right, you cannot just keep rolling the dice by “prompting better”

PaulHoule 4y ago
There are interfaces where you can not just "prompt better" but change the image with a tool like Photoshop and then feed that back into the diffusion model. Also there are people who really don't care about quality. There have always been different tiers of art: it's one thing to have clip art for a throwaway blog post (royalty free stock), it's another thing to base a marketing campaign around images (rights managed stock) because you don't to have all your competitors choose the same image. https://cxl.com/blog/stock-photography-vs-real-photos-cant-use/ https://cxl.com/blog/stock-photography-vs-real-photos-cant-u... The bottom feeders will be very happy to accept the problems of A.I. art and in fact you might not have the embarrassing dogpiling problem that the above blog post describes.
spoiler 4y ago
Agreed. I think it will decrease iteration time during an exploration phase for new artists or when you're not quite sure what you want and want to explore your idea space more quickly (and maybe even get new ideas as you iterate). It's similar with these coding AIs. A lot of the time it's great for the "blank page" phase of a project where you have to do all the "boring" stuff out of the way. Another great example (I think it was a blog post here) where the AI recommended a method the author didn't know about that yielded a crazy performance boost. I tried to get some help from copilot on writing a shader the other day, and it was really an amazing experience. One still needs to have a pretty deep understanding of what needs to be done to use these tools. I imagine it's similar for writers. Maybe they want some help to reword a sentence to be more succinct, but the ideas will still come from their heads. I can't predict if this will one day be so sophisticated that you can have it do both low level and high level "thinking" when exploring ideas, but if that day comes I don't think it will mean an end to jobs, just that some jobs will become more accessible, or that it won't be so much about nitty-gritty work and more about higher level idea-level work (which to me sound good, not bad). Obviously there's people who enjoy the nitty gritty (as a developer, and amateur painter who does enjoythe process), and I don't think that will fully go away, just become more of a creative/artisan field maybe. Who knows, though? I may be way off, but I don't think it's as bleak as some people fear.
- ghaff 4y ago
  As a writer, I find ChatGPT can provide some vaguely useful scaffolding. On the other hand, I'm not someone who finds a blank page especially difficult to start writing on--and, in fact, I generally want to start off with something non-formulaic to draw a reader in. Still I can see it being helpful in a way that automated spellchecking and grammar checking is.
- curioussavage 4y ago
  Im a generalist who has been trying to kick an obsessive habit of perusing tech news and trying new/old tech for 8 years. You made me realize that may be one reason I feel like this tool i have just enough depth in many areas that I’m able to scrutinize the output and it’s making up for the lack of depth all over the place.
ghaff 4y ago
I actually find the artwork/design generative AI a lot more interesting than the text. (Don't really have an opinion on the code generation.) While it's obviously early days, something like Stable Diffusion can, with a bit of work, generate artwork that neither I (nor I assume the vast bulk of the population) could. On the other hand, the text it generates might pass muster for content farms or a starting point for a human editor familiar with the topic but certainly isn't producing anything I could use out of the box.
petilon 4y ago
Yes, but by "supercharging" artists, each artist will be able to do more, which means fewer artists will be needed.
- ModernMech 4y ago
  Maybe, maybe not. For instance, I'd like to make a game. But I don't have enough money to even hire an artist to help with concept art. So I don't get to the point where I can raise money off that art, and hire an artist to make game assets. Now I can generate all the concept art I want for free, and I can raise money off of that (wallets open faster with pretty pictures than with words). What am I going to do with it? Hire artists! They will probably be better at using AI art generators than I am, and they have the skills to actually work with the generated results, unlike me.
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  - Riverheart 4y ago
    Except now you’re competing for the attention and disposable income of everybody else doing that. How are consumers going to tell your stuff apart from all the other AI placeholder games that will flood the market?
    - ModernMech 4y ago
      I guess what I'm trying to say is that in the course of developing anything, one goes through various stages of development. Depending on the expertise of the individual, they will be able to take a project further before bringing on more people. If an idea is well-trodden, then it's easy to get people on board without much convincing. If an idea is brand new and far out there, it will take a lot of work to convince people before they get on board. For someone like me, I can do a lot, but not everything. I've managed to get my own project to a stage where I had felt I would have to bring on more people to advance it much further. But I had lacked the funds to do so, and it's hard to get people to do things for free when they don't believe in it. It's also hard to get people to believe in something without seeing it. My project was very likely. So that's where tools like stable diffusion and chatgpt come in. I'm now suddenly unstuck; I have a cheap tool to do work I wasn't capable of before, so I can now take the project further than I could have otherwise. Whereas before I might have abandoned it, now I can take it further and maybe get it to the point where I can hire people. The question now is: how many projects are now going to take off? Is there funding out there for them? Can they hire more artists than are displaced?
deelowe 4y ago
I wonder what happens over time as more and more workflows use AI generated content as the starting point? Will all images slowly start looking the same?
bulbosaur123 4y ago
ControlNet has entered the chat.
worrycue 4y ago
Not everyone requires “just right” though. There are no wrong answers in art. Although in this case, it’s an adobe product, the only people who will use it are artists.

by m3kw9 4y ago

This will supercharge artists, it won’t replace them because details matter and when you need to get it just right, you cannot just keep rolling the dice by “prompting better”

PaulHoule 4y ago

There are interfaces where you can not just "prompt better" but change the image with a tool like Photoshop and then feed that back into the diffusion model. Also there are people who really don't care about quality. There have always been different tiers of art: it's one thing to have clip art for a throwaway blog post (royalty free stock), it's another thing to base a marketing campaign around images (rights managed stock) because you don't to have all your competitors choose the same image. https://cxl.com/blog/stock-photography-vs-real-photos-cant-use/ https://cxl.com/blog/stock-photography-vs-real-photos-cant-u... The bottom feeders will be very happy to accept the problems of A.I. art and in fact you might not have the embarrassing dogpiling problem that the above blog post describes.

spoiler 4y ago

Agreed. I think it will decrease iteration time during an exploration phase for new artists or when you're not quite sure what you want and want to explore your idea space more quickly (and maybe even get new ideas as you iterate). It's similar with these coding AIs. A lot of the time it's great for the "blank page" phase of a project where you have to do all the "boring" stuff out of the way. Another great example (I think it was a blog post here) where the AI recommended a method the author didn't know about that yielded a crazy performance boost. I tried to get some help from copilot on writing a shader the other day, and it was really an amazing experience. One still needs to have a pretty deep understanding of what needs to be done to use these tools. I imagine it's similar for writers. Maybe they want some help to reword a sentence to be more succinct, but the ideas will still come from their heads. I can't predict if this will one day be so sophisticated that you can have it do both low level and high level "thinking" when exploring ideas, but if that day comes I don't think it will mean an end to jobs, just that some jobs will become more accessible, or that it won't be so much about nitty-gritty work and more about higher level idea-level work (which to me sound good, not bad). Obviously there's people who enjoy the nitty gritty (as a developer, and amateur painter who does enjoythe process), and I don't think that will fully go away, just become more of a creative/artisan field maybe. Who knows, though? I may be way off, but I don't think it's as bleak as some people fear.

ghaff 4y ago
As a writer, I find ChatGPT can provide some vaguely useful scaffolding. On the other hand, I'm not someone who finds a blank page especially difficult to start writing on--and, in fact, I generally want to start off with something non-formulaic to draw a reader in. Still I can see it being helpful in a way that automated spellchecking and grammar checking is.
curioussavage 4y ago
Im a generalist who has been trying to kick an obsessive habit of perusing tech news and trying new/old tech for 8 years. You made me realize that may be one reason I feel like this tool i have just enough depth in many areas that I’m able to scrutinize the output and it’s making up for the lack of depth all over the place.

ghaff 4y ago

I actually find the artwork/design generative AI a lot more interesting than the text. (Don't really have an opinion on the code generation.) While it's obviously early days, something like Stable Diffusion can, with a bit of work, generate artwork that neither I (nor I assume the vast bulk of the population) could. On the other hand, the text it generates might pass muster for content farms or a starting point for a human editor familiar with the topic but certainly isn't producing anything I could use out of the box.

petilon 4y ago

Yes, but by "supercharging" artists, each artist will be able to do more, which means fewer artists will be needed.

ModernMech 4y ago
Maybe, maybe not. For instance, I'd like to make a game. But I don't have enough money to even hire an artist to help with concept art. So I don't get to the point where I can raise money off that art, and hire an artist to make game assets. Now I can generate all the concept art I want for free, and I can raise money off of that (wallets open faster with pretty pictures than with words). What am I going to do with it? Hire artists! They will probably be better at using AI art generators than I am, and they have the skills to actually work with the generated results, unlike me.
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- Riverheart 4y ago
  Except now you’re competing for the attention and disposable income of everybody else doing that. How are consumers going to tell your stuff apart from all the other AI placeholder games that will flood the market?
  - ModernMech 4y ago
    I guess what I'm trying to say is that in the course of developing anything, one goes through various stages of development. Depending on the expertise of the individual, they will be able to take a project further before bringing on more people. If an idea is well-trodden, then it's easy to get people on board without much convincing. If an idea is brand new and far out there, it will take a lot of work to convince people before they get on board. For someone like me, I can do a lot, but not everything. I've managed to get my own project to a stage where I had felt I would have to bring on more people to advance it much further. But I had lacked the funds to do so, and it's hard to get people to do things for free when they don't believe in it. It's also hard to get people to believe in something without seeing it. My project was very likely. So that's where tools like stable diffusion and chatgpt come in. I'm now suddenly unstuck; I have a cheap tool to do work I wasn't capable of before, so I can now take the project further than I could have otherwise. Whereas before I might have abandoned it, now I can take it further and maybe get it to the point where I can hire people. The question now is: how many projects are now going to take off? Is there funding out there for them? Can they hire more artists than are displaced?

deelowe 4y ago

I wonder what happens over time as more and more workflows use AI generated content as the starting point? Will all images slowly start looking the same?

bulbosaur123 4y ago

ControlNet has entered the chat.

worrycue 4y ago

Not everyone requires “just right” though. There are no wrong answers in art. Although in this case, it’s an adobe product, the only people who will use it are artists.