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> Gingerich told us that the most widely-deployed GPL-covered software in Deere machinery is Linux. "As with most Linux distributions, it uses several other pro

> Gingerich told us that the most widely-deployed GPL-covered software in Deere machinery is Linux. "As with most Linux distributions, it uses several other programs under copyleft (i.e. right to repair) licenses as well," he said. what?

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TheLoafOfBread 4y ago
I see it as very hypocritical - Yeah we are ignoring licenses of others, but I dare you to install into "your" tractor a part which is not DRM signed by John Deere.
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ryukafalz 4y ago
Somewhat confused reporting, but it sounds like Gingerich was probably referring to "Linux" colloquially, as in a Linux distribution. That would in most cases include other GPL software such as GNU coreutils, or possibly BusyBox. (And then The Register quoted that as Linux itself including other GPL'd programs, which isn't quite right.)
- mattl 4y ago
  Meanwhile https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2023/mar/16/john-deere-gpl-violations/ https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2023/mar/16/john-deere-gpl-vi... doesn't mention Linux.
LoganDark 4y ago
"right to repair licenses"? GPL was never designed for right to repair, but rather right to extend and modify, i.e. Open Source.
- pabs3 4y ago
  I like to say the GPL gives me the right to repair software.
- asddubs 4y ago
  right to fix bugs
- fsckboy 4y ago
  > GPL was never designed for right to repair, but rather right to extend and modify no, GPL was designed for right to modify source code with no restrictions on what you could use the modified code for, which would include repair.
  - LoganDark 4y ago
    I'm objecting to it being called a "right to repair license". It's not a right to repair license. It's a copyleft open-source license. That just happens to be extremely useful for repair because it requires being able to install new versions and have them function, but it isn't a "right to repair license" because it does a lot more than that. :(
    - fsckboy 4y ago
      but it explicitly says no restrictions can be placed on what you do with the code, so it is entirely correct to say it's a "right to do X" snowclone-license.
- tsimionescu 4y ago
  Actually, GPL was originally motivated by Stallman wanting to repair a printer at MIT that had a software bug.

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TheLoafOfBread 4y ago

I see it as very hypocritical - Yeah we are ignoring licenses of others, but I dare you to install into "your" tractor a part which is not DRM signed by John Deere.

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ryukafalz 4y ago

Somewhat confused reporting, but it sounds like Gingerich was probably referring to "Linux" colloquially, as in a Linux distribution. That would in most cases include other GPL software such as GNU coreutils, or possibly BusyBox. (And then The Register quoted that as Linux itself including other GPL'd programs, which isn't quite right.)

mattl 4y ago
Meanwhile https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2023/mar/16/john-deere-gpl-violations/ https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2023/mar/16/john-deere-gpl-vi... doesn't mention Linux.

LoganDark 4y ago

"right to repair licenses"? GPL was never designed for right to repair, but rather right to extend and modify, i.e. Open Source.

pabs3 4y ago
I like to say the GPL gives me the right to repair software.
asddubs 4y ago
right to fix bugs
fsckboy 4y ago
> GPL was never designed for right to repair, but rather right to extend and modify no, GPL was designed for right to modify source code with no restrictions on what you could use the modified code for, which would include repair.
- LoganDark 4y ago
  I'm objecting to it being called a "right to repair license". It's not a right to repair license. It's a copyleft open-source license. That just happens to be extremely useful for repair because it requires being able to install new versions and have them function, but it isn't a "right to repair license" because it does a lot more than that. :(
  - fsckboy 4y ago
    but it explicitly says no restrictions can be placed on what you do with the code, so it is entirely correct to say it's a "right to do X" snowclone-license.
tsimionescu 4y ago
Actually, GPL was originally motivated by Stallman wanting to repair a printer at MIT that had a software bug.