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I am fascinated by this stuff and DMT and part of me would love to try it. It appears most people experience the same entities such as the self-transforming elf

• prox 4y ago
  I would advice against prolonged use or using it often. I have seen people around me change their behavior irrationally and erratically, and not for the good, as in not being able to regulate their emotions in a sensible fashion. So while fascinating perhaps, I don’t think it is always used responsibly.
  • jallasprit 4y ago
    As seems to be the case with most things. Everything done in moderation. Overconsumption of anything will bring harm in different ways. I also believe some changes to ones personality is less than ideal, but more ideal than say, chronic opioid/stimulant/etc use over time
  • aziaziazi 4y ago
    Many would say the same about friends taking antidepressants as IMA, ISRS, ATC… or others DANGEROUS stuff as opioids. An average 2023 pharma shopping bag is highly dangerous when not used responsibly ! Moreover, DMT does not induce any addiction, which may be a cause of its absence on drug dealers and pharmacorps shelves. We should celebrate studies of medecines that have a chance to help people without damaging them.
    • reportgunner 4y ago
      Sounds like DMT can damage them as well. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26166234/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26166234/
      • jallasprit 4y ago
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      • FollowingTheDao 4y ago
        Yes, that is because they both effect serotonin and serotonin receptor density. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1014862808126 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1014862808126
  • LilBytes 4y ago
    Everything in moderation, especially moderation.
  • mistermann 4y ago
    "Sensible" is a function of the frame of reference (culture, era, religion, profession, upbringing, ingested information/"facts", etc) of the observer.
  • 462436347 4y ago
    > I have seen people around me change their behavior irrationally and erratically, and not for the good, as in not being able to regulate their emotions in a sensible fashion Their hearts have probably changed as well, and likewise, not for the good.
  • FollowingTheDao 4y ago
    This is typical drug "addiction" behavior. I call it a "negative addiction" (copyright me). In a positive addiction you see the drug that makes you feel better. In a negative addiction, the drug leaves you feeling worse but there is not craving for it. This occurs with drugs that do not affect dopamine or the dopamine receptors.
• neom 4y ago
  I love reading the trip reports on Erowid: https://erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_DMT.shtml https://erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_DMT.shtml
  • deemster 4y ago
    I can't post the link because I'm at work but you might be interested in the DMT Nexus forum. Lots of trip reports and treasure trove of information related to DMT/Ayahuasca.
  • ycombinete 4y ago
    Same here. I've read a lot of them. And I haven't read a single one that made me want to try it. My psyche treats any state as permanent, and I think most of these trips would probably drive me insane. Inb4 I need a psychedelic trip to break out of that psychic mold.
    • LoganDark 4y ago
      > Inb4 I need a psychedelic trip to break out of that psychic mold. I literally feel like this could be the case for me. I'm unable to lucid dream because even if I go into it knowing it's going to be a dream, hell even if I go into a daydream, my brain will instantly realize it's seeing or experiencing something and assert that it's reality and there's no need to question it because it is certainly real. It's so annoying because it affects more than just dreaming, it also makes it impossible for other people to convince me that any of my memories are even slightly embellished.
  • FollowingTheDao 4y ago
    I like reading trip reports on trains. (Drugs only give you a different experience!)
• IIAOPSW 4y ago
  I believe whats happening at a certain level all brains encode an abstract conscious reality-stream in a similar way, and as such distortions to the brain manifest in similar ways for everyone. The fact that DMT entities are so common tells us that the perception of other consciousness's is a primitive attribute in however our world-state is managed by the brain. Flip a few random bits in an image, you get pixels. Flip a few random bits in the brain, you get conversations with entities. The error mode tells you about the data format. So here's my conjecture. The brain attributes a "spirit" to every object the same as it attributes color and size and shape. Linguistically we use it all the time to reason about cause and effect. "The piston wants the wheel to turn, but it is too tired". Some cultures literally believe in these spirits.
  • DJBunnies 4y ago
    Have you tried it?
    • IIAOPSW 4y ago
      DMT? Personally, tried but it was a bad order that simply failed to work as advertised. Psychedelics more generally? Yeah.
  • mistermann 4y ago
    And some literally don't believe in them. Each person practices their own style of epistemology, usually using binary. "Whatever gets you through the night" they say! Personally, I think it's fun to dream what might be the case, or what could be some day. :)
  • atchoo 4y ago
    Yep. Sounds similar to the shared phenomena of the "Hat Man" entity that a lot of people suffering from sleep paralysis report. https://thehatmanproject.com/ https://thehatmanproject.com/ I am curious about what humans experiencing sleep paralysis perceived before the invention of the hat.
    • IIAOPSW 4y ago
• 462436347 4y ago
  It's interesting that these Elves never seem to provide any useful, actionable information, especially information that their human interlocutor would have had no way of knowing. Instead it's just vague, mystical fluff.
  • MrBuddyCasino 4y ago
    One take on psychedelics I find intriguing is that instead of providing actual deep insights, they simulate it. While you are high, everything just seems profound and mystical, but there is really nothing there, it is an artifact of the distorted brain chemistry. I find this makes sense because in my experience, people that regularly take psychedelics do not seem wiser or more insightful to me than people who don't. There is probably some way in which they boost creativity by making thought processes less rigid, which helps in things like music and maybe some kinds of technical innovation.
    • FollowingTheDao 4y ago
      Yeah, using this drug to break down the compartments of the brain will lead to increased creativity (which is all hallucinations are, daydreaming on overload), it will not last. And the more you use DMT the more you will need for the same effect.
      • hnthrway 4y ago
        Why do you think that you need more for the same effect? Everything I've read states that ayahuasca doesn't induce tolerance
        • realce 4y ago
          They don't know, they're talking out of their rearend.
        • FollowingTheDao 4y ago
          DMT acts on the HTR2A and HTR2C receptors. When you activate HTR2C receptors at high levels the nerves respond by changing the number HTR2C receptors. This is called having an "effect of receptor density". You can read about it in this study: (I know what you are going to say, that this proves one cannot get habituated to DMT But that is wrong adn you will need to read the second study to understand why. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0091305798001105 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00913... Because drug efficacy changes with receptor density and cellular microenvironment, we also examined the properties of DMT in native preparations using a behavioral and biochemical approach." One difference was evident in that the 5-HT2C, but not the 5-HT2A, receptor showed a profound desensitization to DMT over time. This difference is interesting in light of the recent report that the hallucinogenic activity of DMT does not tolerate in humans and suggests the 5-HT2C receptor plays a less prominent role in the action of DMT. https://www.cureus.com/articles/62522-5-ht1a-and-5-ht2a-signaling-desensitization-and-downregulation-serotonergic-dysfunction-and-abnormal-receptor-density-in-schizophrenia-and-the-prodrome#!/ https://www.cureus.com/articles/62522-5-ht1a-and-5-ht2a-sign... Furthermore, abnormal receptor density ratios are strongly associated with positive and negative symptom severity, which are typically assessed using the Scale for the Assessment of Negative Symptoms In addition, Hurlemann et al. (2007) proposed that 5-HT2A receptor density was also decreased in the At-Risk Mental State patient subgroup, regardless of conversion to psychosis [4]. The progressive decline in subcortical 5-HT2A receptor density could provide an indicator of conversion to schizophrenia.
• 0_____0 4y ago
  The Machine Elves thing is fascinating. I would chalk it up to a sort of culturally shared hallucination, where people have heard of them and are primed to expect them, except for that I had an experience on DMT long before I had heard of this phenomenon where I saw such things... I called them "engineer aliens," I shit you not