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> Alpaca is cool but it's also not technically allowed by OpenAI's TOS, and LLaMA is certainly not allowed to be used for non-commercial purposes. Only if you

by Zuiii 4y ago

> Alpaca is cool but it's also not technically allowed by OpenAI's TOS, and LLaMA is certainly not allowed to be used for non-commercial purposes. Only if you agreed to the ToS or believe that the weights are copyrightable (precedents set by the copyright office and the courts strongly suggest that they aren't). I personally see no issue in using these models for commercial purposes.

satvikpendem 4y ago
You might not but a company will think twice. It's the same reason why companies could theoretically use pirated Windows and Adobe products and get away with it, but most don't because the risk is not worth the reward.
- Zuiii 4y ago
  > It's the same reason why companies could theoretically use pirated Windows and Adobe products Again, using and distributing LLaMA weights is not illegal in any way under current laws. End of story.
  - satvikpendem 4y ago
    Again, you missed the point. LLaMA is under a non commercial license. I never stated it is illegal, just that a company will not want to violate license terms even if it is legal, simply because getting sued in a civil case is still a risk they wouldn't be willing to take compared to the benefit.
    - Zuiii 4y ago
      But I'm not licensing LLaMA from facebook in the first place so their terms wouldn't apply.
      - satvikpendem 4y ago
        Of course they would apply, if you're using LLaMA at all. If you're using a different model that derives from LLaMA, depending on the license terms, the same license might also apply (similar to how GPL virality works). If you're using a wholly different model, then the model's license applies instead of LLaMA's.
        Zuiii 4y ago
        And I'm saying you're wrong, they don't and I'm willing to bet that the courts will agree :)
        satvikpendem 4y ago
        > No, they wouldn't. You clearly don't understand how this works. Interesting way to continue the conversation, before you edited. I honestly don't understand how you think using LLaMA but denying their license terms is a viable strategy, the courts would just point to the license when Meta sues you for using it commercially. But I'm sure me continuing to explain wouldn't make you understand further.

by Zuiii 4y ago

satvikpendem 4y ago

You might not but a company will think twice. It's the same reason why companies could theoretically use pirated Windows and Adobe products and get away with it, but most don't because the risk is not worth the reward.

Zuiii 4y ago
> It's the same reason why companies could theoretically use pirated Windows and Adobe products Again, using and distributing LLaMA weights is not illegal in any way under current laws. End of story.
- satvikpendem 4y ago
  Again, you missed the point. LLaMA is under a non commercial license. I never stated it is illegal, just that a company will not want to violate license terms even if it is legal, simply because getting sued in a civil case is still a risk they wouldn't be willing to take compared to the benefit.
  - Zuiii 4y ago
    But I'm not licensing LLaMA from facebook in the first place so their terms wouldn't apply.
    - satvikpendem 4y ago
      Of course they would apply, if you're using LLaMA at all. If you're using a different model that derives from LLaMA, depending on the license terms, the same license might also apply (similar to how GPL virality works). If you're using a wholly different model, then the model's license applies instead of LLaMA's.
      - Zuiii 4y ago
        And I'm saying you're wrong, they don't and I'm willing to bet that the courts will agree :)
        satvikpendem 4y ago
        > No, they wouldn't. You clearly don't understand how this works. Interesting way to continue the conversation, before you edited. I honestly don't understand how you think using LLaMA but denying their license terms is a viable strategy, the courts would just point to the license when Meta sues you for using it commercially. But I'm sure me continuing to explain wouldn't make you understand further.