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I didn't ask who you claim to be, i'm pointing out what you are. If you actually care what China is, which it appears you don't. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/

I didn't ask who you claim to be, i'm pointing out what you are. If you actually care what China is, which it appears you don't. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarian_capitalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarian_capitalism

RedCondor 4y ago
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- fortuna86 4y ago
  "Your sources are compromised, here's a quote from Fidel Castro and a random blog titled "China Has Billionaires" that doesn't actually talk about China at all, just "US is bad China opposes US therefore..." Self-awareness is not your strong point. And your mix of conspiracy and partisan bile being challenged here is evidence this is a healthy online community, not the opposite. Perhaps you would feel better somewhere that confirms your beliefs instead of (rightly) mocks them.
  - RedCondor 4y ago
    I'm having a lot of fun, actually. But you can keep pretending you know what you're talking about, citing Wikipedia. I guess from your perspective that's fun too.
    - fortuna86 4y ago
      > I'm having a lot of fun, actually. I don't doubt that. Trolling is fun for lots of people.
      - RedCondor 4y ago
        Hegelians don't "troll."
        fortuna86 4y ago
        > I didn't ask who you claim to be, i'm pointing out what you are.
        RedCondor 4y ago
        >Since the man of common sense makes his appeal to feeling, to an oracle within his breast, he is finished and done with anyone who does not agree; he only has to explain that he has nothing more to say to anyone who does not find and feel the same in himself. In other words, he tramples underfoot the roots of humanity. For it is in the nature of humanity to press onward to agreement with others; human nature only really exists in an achieved community of minds. Phenomenology of Spirit (Oxford, 1979), p. 43.
        fortuna86 4y ago
        > Self-awareness is not your strong point It's funny how i've said everything I need to say already. You aren't as complicated as you think you are.
        RedCondor 4y ago
        I've presented heavy evidence in favour of my position, you've presented Wikipedia. I agree that it's not complicated.
  - dang 4y ago
    You broke the site guidelines repeatedly and egregiously in this thread. We've had to warn you about this before, and if you keep it up we're going to have to ban you. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it. Edit: it also looks like your account is on the verge of using HN primarily for ideological battle. That's not allowed here, regardless of which ideology you're for or against, and we ban accounts that do it, so please don't do that. More explanation: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=primarily%20test%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...
    - fortuna86 4y ago
      With all due respect, i'm calmly pointing out another users' inflammatory comments and clear trolling. I wasn't overly polite to him, is the rule literally to take abuse and remain robotic in response? Not being cheeky, genuinely curious.
      - dang 4y ago
        "Self-awareness is not your strong point" was an egregious personal attack. You can't do that here. Ditto for "You aren't as complicated as you think you are", "I'm pointing out what you are.", and plenty of other things you posted in this thread. If I look at those comments cumulatively, you crossed the line very badly. The fact that someone else was also behaving badly doesn't change that. The rule is to stick to the rules (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html) regardless of what someone else does. That's how rules work, no? No one's asking you to remain robotic, but you do need to remain respectful.
        fortuna86 4y ago
        Fair points, sorry for creating more work for you.
        4y ago
- dang 4y ago
  You've been badly stoking this thread with political and ideological flamewar. We ban accounts that do that. I actually just banned you but then changed my mind (I'll explain that below). Lest anyone think I'm scolding you out of some ideological bias: I've personally spent countless hours defending users who have advocated minority perspectives (including on China), even when they've sometimes broken the site guidelines. That's not because I agree or disagree but because I understand how difficult it is to advocate for a minority view on the internet without getting attacked by mobs—and I don't like mobs. If you or anyone wants examples of how this has played out on China-related topics, I put this list together for a user about a year ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/chinamod https://news.ycombinator.com/chinamod. So the problem isn't that you're arguing for a minority view—it's that you're doing it with snark and tropes and talking points. From that point of view your comments in this thread have been abusive. It seems clear that you're a seasoned internet flamewarrior with this stuff, because those skills only get honed over many years. For HN, this is a bad sign, because we're really trying for something else here (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html). Nonetheless I changed my mind about banning you because I think https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35245528 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35245528 is a genuinely interesting submission about Nietzsche. Thanks! If you would, however, please calibrate your HN comments to the intended use of the site, we'd really appreciate it. That means no snark, no flamewar, and no disrespect to others (specifically or in general) regardless of how wrong they are or you feel they are. I know lots of people routinely break those rules—I spend my days asking them not to. But we need users, and especially users with formidable internet powers, to resist the temptation to respond in kind. Otherwise we just get a downward spiral and this place will burn to a crisp. No doubt HN is filled with comments that you personally disagree with and find offensive, but that's inevitable given that HN is a majority western community (albeit highly international) and that you hold minority views (within such a population) on provocative topics. I'm not asking you to change your views, but if you would please take care to avoid provoking or being provoked here in the future, we'd be grateful.

RedCondor 4y ago

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fortuna86 4y ago
"Your sources are compromised, here's a quote from Fidel Castro and a random blog titled "China Has Billionaires" that doesn't actually talk about China at all, just "US is bad China opposes US therefore..." Self-awareness is not your strong point. And your mix of conspiracy and partisan bile being challenged here is evidence this is a healthy online community, not the opposite. Perhaps you would feel better somewhere that confirms your beliefs instead of (rightly) mocks them.
- RedCondor 4y ago
  I'm having a lot of fun, actually. But you can keep pretending you know what you're talking about, citing Wikipedia. I guess from your perspective that's fun too.
  - fortuna86 4y ago
    > I'm having a lot of fun, actually. I don't doubt that. Trolling is fun for lots of people.
    - RedCondor 4y ago
      Hegelians don't "troll."
      - fortuna86 4y ago
        > I didn't ask who you claim to be, i'm pointing out what you are.
        RedCondor 4y ago
        >Since the man of common sense makes his appeal to feeling, to an oracle within his breast, he is finished and done with anyone who does not agree; he only has to explain that he has nothing more to say to anyone who does not find and feel the same in himself. In other words, he tramples underfoot the roots of humanity. For it is in the nature of humanity to press onward to agreement with others; human nature only really exists in an achieved community of minds. Phenomenology of Spirit (Oxford, 1979), p. 43.
        fortuna86 4y ago
        > Self-awareness is not your strong point It's funny how i've said everything I need to say already. You aren't as complicated as you think you are.
        RedCondor 4y ago
        I've presented heavy evidence in favour of my position, you've presented Wikipedia. I agree that it's not complicated.
- dang 4y ago
  You broke the site guidelines repeatedly and egregiously in this thread. We've had to warn you about this before, and if you keep it up we're going to have to ban you. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it. Edit: it also looks like your account is on the verge of using HN primarily for ideological battle. That's not allowed here, regardless of which ideology you're for or against, and we ban accounts that do it, so please don't do that. More explanation: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=primarily%20test%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...
  - fortuna86 4y ago
    With all due respect, i'm calmly pointing out another users' inflammatory comments and clear trolling. I wasn't overly polite to him, is the rule literally to take abuse and remain robotic in response? Not being cheeky, genuinely curious.
    - dang 4y ago
      "Self-awareness is not your strong point" was an egregious personal attack. You can't do that here. Ditto for "You aren't as complicated as you think you are", "I'm pointing out what you are.", and plenty of other things you posted in this thread. If I look at those comments cumulatively, you crossed the line very badly. The fact that someone else was also behaving badly doesn't change that. The rule is to stick to the rules (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html) regardless of what someone else does. That's how rules work, no? No one's asking you to remain robotic, but you do need to remain respectful.
      - fortuna86 4y ago
        Fair points, sorry for creating more work for you.
        4y ago
dang 4y ago
You've been badly stoking this thread with political and ideological flamewar. We ban accounts that do that. I actually just banned you but then changed my mind (I'll explain that below). Lest anyone think I'm scolding you out of some ideological bias: I've personally spent countless hours defending users who have advocated minority perspectives (including on China), even when they've sometimes broken the site guidelines. That's not because I agree or disagree but because I understand how difficult it is to advocate for a minority view on the internet without getting attacked by mobs—and I don't like mobs. If you or anyone wants examples of how this has played out on China-related topics, I put this list together for a user about a year ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/chinamod https://news.ycombinator.com/chinamod. So the problem isn't that you're arguing for a minority view—it's that you're doing it with snark and tropes and talking points. From that point of view your comments in this thread have been abusive. It seems clear that you're a seasoned internet flamewarrior with this stuff, because those skills only get honed over many years. For HN, this is a bad sign, because we're really trying for something else here (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html). Nonetheless I changed my mind about banning you because I think https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35245528 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35245528 is a genuinely interesting submission about Nietzsche. Thanks! If you would, however, please calibrate your HN comments to the intended use of the site, we'd really appreciate it. That means no snark, no flamewar, and no disrespect to others (specifically or in general) regardless of how wrong they are or you feel they are. I know lots of people routinely break those rules—I spend my days asking them not to. But we need users, and especially users with formidable internet powers, to resist the temptation to respond in kind. Otherwise we just get a downward spiral and this place will burn to a crisp. No doubt HN is filled with comments that you personally disagree with and find offensive, but that's inevitable given that HN is a majority western community (albeit highly international) and that you hold minority views (within such a population) on provocative topics. I'm not asking you to change your views, but if you would please take care to avoid provoking or being provoked here in the future, we'd be grateful.