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This argument seems to have an unsavory consequence. There’s nothing wrong with excluding and persecuting minority groups because they’re not part of the nation

This argument seems to have an unsavory consequence. There’s nothing wrong with excluding and persecuting minority groups because they’re not part of the nation. With a country like China, where the now-majority Han culture colonized the minority Wu, Canton, Hokkien, and various small western cultures in the last 100(ish, it was going on before the PRC as well) years, and a narrative of national unity and shared history was fabricated by the government, can we defend anti-immigration policies on the same grounds?

berjin 4y ago
The parent comment amounted to ethnically cleansing the Korean population. It might not involve guns and it might take a 3-4 generations but that is what happens when immigration doors are opened at the behest of corporation lobbied governments with no consideration for the local population.
tannhauser23 4y ago
It's only 'unsavory' if you're ignorant of the history and reality of Korea. Korea is a small, culturally and racially homogenous nation that, within living memory, was colonized by a power that attempted to wipe out its ethnic identity. It has no native racial minority groups. The ethnic and cultural unity of the nation is a source of pride for Koreans. You can't expect a nation like this to import millions of immigrants from other cultures.
coldtea 4y ago
>This argument seems to have an unsavory consequence. There’s nothing wrong with excluding and persecuting minority groups because they’re not part of the nation. Minority groups have been part of different nations for millenia. So saying "they're not part of the nation" is not a given. They're just not be part of the majority group of a nation. Some nations might not even have such a majority group, but be composed of two or more different groups of roughly equal size. Nations aren't monolithic things. But that doesn't meant they're "anything goes", either. Nor does "a nation of people is more than just replecable individuals" has "it's OK to exclude and persecute minority groups" as any kind of necessary consequence, anymore so than "this person doesn't belong to my family" means we can mistreat it. It does however mean that "just bring foreigners in huge numbers to increase the local population" is not exactly a great solution. It might even amount to ethnic cleansing, and this has happened in the past too. Historical immigration was often part of such power plays and land grabs (like against Aboriginals or Southern Africans), or "population engineering" (those in power bringing in populations to divide and conquer, and to replace and suppress local populations). In fact one of the common targets that was yielded against was exactly minority groups local to a nation or part of an empire.

berjin 4y ago

The parent comment amounted to ethnically cleansing the Korean population. It might not involve guns and it might take a 3-4 generations but that is what happens when immigration doors are opened at the behest of corporation lobbied governments with no consideration for the local population.

tannhauser23 4y ago

It's only 'unsavory' if you're ignorant of the history and reality of Korea. Korea is a small, culturally and racially homogenous nation that, within living memory, was colonized by a power that attempted to wipe out its ethnic identity. It has no native racial minority groups. The ethnic and cultural unity of the nation is a source of pride for Koreans. You can't expect a nation like this to import millions of immigrants from other cultures.

coldtea 4y ago

>This argument seems to have an unsavory consequence. There’s nothing wrong with excluding and persecuting minority groups because they’re not part of the nation. Minority groups have been part of different nations for millenia. So saying "they're not part of the nation" is not a given. They're just not be part of the majority group of a nation. Some nations might not even have such a majority group, but be composed of two or more different groups of roughly equal size. Nations aren't monolithic things. But that doesn't meant they're "anything goes", either. Nor does "a nation of people is more than just replecable individuals" has "it's OK to exclude and persecute minority groups" as any kind of necessary consequence, anymore so than "this person doesn't belong to my family" means we can mistreat it. It does however mean that "just bring foreigners in huge numbers to increase the local population" is not exactly a great solution. It might even amount to ethnic cleansing, and this has happened in the past too. Historical immigration was often part of such power plays and land grabs (like against Aboriginals or Southern Africans), or "population engineering" (those in power bringing in populations to divide and conquer, and to replace and suppress local populations). In fact one of the common targets that was yielded against was exactly minority groups local to a nation or part of an empire.