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These downvotes are absurd. The parent comment asserts, without evidence, that "NPM being easy to use is a double-edged sword that will swing back at you". I

by nawgz 4y ago

These downvotes are absurd. The parent comment asserts, without evidence, that "NPM being easy to use is a double-edged sword that will swing back at you". I have never seen any evidence of this in action. What would it even mean!? Something being easy to use being casted as a negative in-and-of-itself sounds like Stockholm Syndrome. If you'll downvote a long-time NPM user for questioning what's wrong with NPM given how much better it is at navigating the complex corporate environment I sit in than Gradle or Maven, at least leave an anecdote.

speed_spread 4y ago
It's all on you. You brought npm into the discussion which was until then quite generic comparing java builds against "others". You barge into a thread of people praising a certain ecosystem by defending your own turf and trying to convince everyone that your tools are actually ok. What did you expect? Sure bro, use npm, whatever.
- nawgz 4y ago
  How is it "on me" that stupid "opinions" are being expressed? First of all, the context was: my initial comment's GP: "I do really like how easy the packaging is in Python and JS is", "Maven and Gradle are a bit of a pain to configure in comparison" my initial comment's parent: "True but beyond hobby projects this becomes a double-edged sword that swings back at you." This comment CONTINUES to be a naked assertion based on nothingness. The negative points about NPM I've heard are: * You should never touch human-readable files with CLIs (like package.json) * NodeJS imports make many files because it's interpreted code * running a command to install a package is "weird" and doing it manually is better * Something about module resolution that was fixed half a decade ago but still didn't impact most shops that avoided drowning in libraries You can't be serious that this is meaningful feedback.
  - speed_spread 4y ago
    > stupid "opinions" Whatever the subject, I expect people who like a certain tech to express their distaste about other techs. I just, you know, let it slide cause otherwise it's never over. If you're looking for a bone to chew, I'd suggest you go to Reddit. Seriously.

by nawgz 4y ago

speed_spread 4y ago

It's all on you. You brought npm into the discussion which was until then quite generic comparing java builds against "others". You barge into a thread of people praising a certain ecosystem by defending your own turf and trying to convince everyone that your tools are actually ok. What did you expect? Sure bro, use npm, whatever.

nawgz 4y ago
How is it "on me" that stupid "opinions" are being expressed? First of all, the context was: my initial comment's GP: "I do really like how easy the packaging is in Python and JS is", "Maven and Gradle are a bit of a pain to configure in comparison" my initial comment's parent: "True but beyond hobby projects this becomes a double-edged sword that swings back at you." This comment CONTINUES to be a naked assertion based on nothingness. The negative points about NPM I've heard are: * You should never touch human-readable files with CLIs (like package.json) * NodeJS imports make many files because it's interpreted code * running a command to install a package is "weird" and doing it manually is better * Something about module resolution that was fixed half a decade ago but still didn't impact most shops that avoided drowning in libraries You can't be serious that this is meaningful feedback.
- speed_spread 4y ago
  > stupid "opinions" Whatever the subject, I expect people who like a certain tech to express their distaste about other techs. I just, you know, let it slide cause otherwise it's never over. If you're looking for a bone to chew, I'd suggest you go to Reddit. Seriously.