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>You contradict yourself by praising Apple for keeping standard features while deriding Lenovo for doing the same thing. Putting words in my mouth. I never pra

>You contradict yourself by praising Apple for keeping standard features while deriding Lenovo for doing the same thing. Putting words in my mouth. I never praised Apple and I never derided Lenovo. I am simply stating the facts. I am trying to explain that both companies have the same approach. Neither of them are open source idealists. Lenovo is not more open than Apple. Apple is not more open than Lenovo. I am pointing out the double standards and hypocrisy in this thread. I have owned many Lenovo and Apple products and I'm not a fanboy of any company. > 1. This is not true for "Apple hardware" as a rule. It is true for their laptops and desktops. iPhone/iPad are not relevant to this discussion.

smoldesu 4y ago
> Lenovo is not more open than Apple. This is straight-up untrue, though. In this specific situation, they are markedly more open than Apple. Here is their commit for ACPI support: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/rafael/linux-pm.git/commit/?h=bleeding-edge&id=a2ff95e018f1d2bc816f3078d5110a655e355f18 https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/rafael/linux... Here is their commit for always-on USB power: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/pdx86/platform-drivers-x86.git/commit/?h=for-next&id=6b49dea4fd9c539f5fea61f6a203ec1349292a26 https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/pdx86/platfo... Here is the official hwmon patch for an otherwise unsupported laptop: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/groeck/linux-staging.git/commit/?h=hwmon-next&id=f3cdb092460b7b0a7bf94aef096d34a1eb9ad3a8 https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/groeck/linux... Lenovo is doing what Apple doesn't, and publishing their contributions as GPL code. In this particular arena, they are provably more open in the sense that they make official Linux contributions and Apple does not. I too have owned hardware from either company, and have plenty to complain about for both. One thing I cannot deride is the quality of first-party Linux support for my Lenovo hardware. It's not perfect and they're an ill-fit successor to IBM, but they make marked FOSS contributions that other companies would refuse. Because these changes are made freely available with an Open license, I think it's fully fair to say that Lenovo is shipping more Open systems than Apple is. Like I said in my other post, they don't even have to do much to cement themselves in that position either, just offer a few of their own patches. > It is true for the current hardware. [sic] > It is true for their laptops and desktops. iPhone/iPad are not relevant to this discussion. Ah, there's the caveat. We can agree to disagree, frankly I'm more interested to see where the legislation takes this.

smoldesu 4y ago

> Lenovo is not more open than Apple. This is straight-up untrue, though. In this specific situation, they are markedly more open than Apple. Here is their commit for ACPI support: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/rafael/linux-pm.git/commit/?h=bleeding-edge&id=a2ff95e018f1d2bc816f3078d5110a655e355f18 https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/rafael/linux... Here is their commit for always-on USB power: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/pdx86/platform-drivers-x86.git/commit/?h=for-next&id=6b49dea4fd9c539f5fea61f6a203ec1349292a26 https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/pdx86/platfo... Here is the official hwmon patch for an otherwise unsupported laptop: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/groeck/linux-staging.git/commit/?h=hwmon-next&id=f3cdb092460b7b0a7bf94aef096d34a1eb9ad3a8 https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/groeck/linux... Lenovo is doing what Apple doesn't, and publishing their contributions as GPL code. In this particular arena, they are provably more open in the sense that they make official Linux contributions and Apple does not. I too have owned hardware from either company, and have plenty to complain about for both. One thing I cannot deride is the quality of first-party Linux support for my Lenovo hardware. It's not perfect and they're an ill-fit successor to IBM, but they make marked FOSS contributions that other companies would refuse. Because these changes are made freely available with an Open license, I think it's fully fair to say that Lenovo is shipping more Open systems than Apple is. Like I said in my other post, they don't even have to do much to cement themselves in that position either, just offer a few of their own patches. > It is true for the current hardware. [sic] > It is true for their laptops and desktops. iPhone/iPad are not relevant to this discussion. Ah, there's the caveat. We can agree to disagree, frankly I'm more interested to see where the legislation takes this.