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> Maintaining a datacenter is expensive. Now I’m not sure if there are companies that provide management of actual physical infrastructure I knew the cloud mar

> Maintaining a datacenter is expensive. Now I’m not sure if there are companies that provide management of actual physical infrastructure I knew the cloud marketing machine had done the new generation dirty. I didn't know it was this bad.

gautamdivgi 4y ago
I’m not new gen. I’ve worked in telcos providing 5 9’s infra availability. A datacenter is not just servers. There is a whole host of civil, mechanical and electrical engineering that plays into it. Edit: also OSHA rules, cable splicing, how to handle ladders, etc, etc.
- dogleash 4y ago
  > A datacenter is not just servers. If you buy colocation, it is tho.
  - gautamdivgi 4y ago
    So basically trading one provider for another
goodpoint 4y ago
This has to stop at some point.
skullone 4y ago
So much this! PXE is apparently too hard for engineers to learn to bootstrap a VM, but they'll go to $5k worth of training to learn Terraform to deploy a CRUD app and call that a win :/
- mardifoufs 4y ago
  I mean, PXE and bootstrapping VMs aren't even close to being what people use terraform for. VM provisioning, in general, is basically just one of the many (and also most trivial) steps in the usual Terraform deployment.
  - skullone 4y ago
    Most terraform flows are just as trivial as any workflow, create/update/delete of infrastructure. Not like we haven't had a hundred frameworks to accomplish that over the last few decades of onprem. Short term enterprise memory just believes there's only one way/place to do that now.
    - nk632 4y ago
      What is ur opinion about hashicorp Tool terraform and vault who can help with multiclod provisioning can bring down the cost of cloud migration.
      - skullone 4y ago
        Didn't see your reply - but terraform can do a bit in the space of multi-cloud provisioning. I say a bit, because most of the work will be on the user, as your terraform plans are gonna be -MESSY- to support multi-cloud. It really isn't seamless or easy in my experience. AWS and Azure operate with enough differences that you'll have more exceptions to your workflow than actual steps. I find multi-cloud to be burdensome and an awful experience in general sadly, even with the "best" tools.

gautamdivgi 4y ago

I’m not new gen. I’ve worked in telcos providing 5 9’s infra availability. A datacenter is not just servers. There is a whole host of civil, mechanical and electrical engineering that plays into it. Edit: also OSHA rules, cable splicing, how to handle ladders, etc, etc.

dogleash 4y ago
> A datacenter is not just servers. If you buy colocation, it is tho.
- gautamdivgi 4y ago
  So basically trading one provider for another

goodpoint 4y ago

This has to stop at some point.

skullone 4y ago

So much this! PXE is apparently too hard for engineers to learn to bootstrap a VM, but they'll go to $5k worth of training to learn Terraform to deploy a CRUD app and call that a win :/

mardifoufs 4y ago
I mean, PXE and bootstrapping VMs aren't even close to being what people use terraform for. VM provisioning, in general, is basically just one of the many (and also most trivial) steps in the usual Terraform deployment.
- skullone 4y ago
  Most terraform flows are just as trivial as any workflow, create/update/delete of infrastructure. Not like we haven't had a hundred frameworks to accomplish that over the last few decades of onprem. Short term enterprise memory just believes there's only one way/place to do that now.
  - nk632 4y ago
    What is ur opinion about hashicorp Tool terraform and vault who can help with multiclod provisioning can bring down the cost of cloud migration.
    - skullone 4y ago
      Didn't see your reply - but terraform can do a bit in the space of multi-cloud provisioning. I say a bit, because most of the work will be on the user, as your terraform plans are gonna be -MESSY- to support multi-cloud. It really isn't seamless or easy in my experience. AWS and Azure operate with enough differences that you'll have more exceptions to your workflow than actual steps. I find multi-cloud to be burdensome and an awful experience in general sadly, even with the "best" tools.