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DHH founder of Basecamp was always skeptical about cloud. He recently published how much they saved moving away from the "cloud" AWS specifically. https://worl

DHH founder of Basecamp was always skeptical about cloud. He recently published how much they saved moving away from the "cloud" AWS specifically. https://world.hey.com/dhh/why-we-re-leaving-the-cloud-654b47e0 https://world.hey.com/dhh/why-we-re-leaving-the-cloud-654b47...

davesque 4y ago
Honestly, DHH and Basecamp have both struck me as being kind of old news for a while now. And he's the only other person I've heard making noises about the cloud like it's a bad thing.
- toomuchtodo 4y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35108813 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35108813 is another recent data point
ghaff 4y ago
Yeah but that's such an atypical example. Small company with, I assume, a pretty high-end skillset overall.
tagyro 4y ago
This! Also, from experience, going with a "smaller" cloud provider and opting for a dedicated machine can already reduce the bill by a huge amount. The position of power of the big 3 - AWS, GCP and Azure* - gives them almost 66% of the market - that doesn't seem right.
- bshipp 4y ago
  I'm no expert, but I'm amazed how much server you can get for little money from a discount provider like Hetzner vs AWS. There's a large gulf between fully on-prem and using Azure/AWS that doesn't have the same personnel requirements. If business apps can be self-hosted on a dedicated box that's maintained by someone else, it's potentially a huge savings. At least, that's been my experience.
  - unity1001 4y ago
    With Hetzner VMs and k3s one could run a k8 cluster with amazingly low cost. There are even ready-made repos that make it lighting fast to deploy and easy to maintain... https://github.com/kube-hetzner/terraform-hcloud-kube-hetzner https://github.com/kube-hetzner/terraform-hcloud-kube-hetzne... Even Hetzner maintains a few repos for that: https://github.com/orgs/hetznercloud/repositories?q=kubernetes&type=all&language=&sort= https://github.com/orgs/hetznercloud/repositories?q=kubernet...

davesque 4y ago

Honestly, DHH and Basecamp have both struck me as being kind of old news for a while now. And he's the only other person I've heard making noises about the cloud like it's a bad thing.

toomuchtodo 4y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35108813 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35108813 is another recent data point

ghaff 4y ago

Yeah but that's such an atypical example. Small company with, I assume, a pretty high-end skillset overall.

tagyro 4y ago

This! Also, from experience, going with a "smaller" cloud provider and opting for a dedicated machine can already reduce the bill by a huge amount. The position of power of the big 3 - AWS, GCP and Azure* - gives them almost 66% of the market - that doesn't seem right.

bshipp 4y ago
I'm no expert, but I'm amazed how much server you can get for little money from a discount provider like Hetzner vs AWS. There's a large gulf between fully on-prem and using Azure/AWS that doesn't have the same personnel requirements. If business apps can be self-hosted on a dedicated box that's maintained by someone else, it's potentially a huge savings. At least, that's been my experience.
- unity1001 4y ago
  With Hetzner VMs and k3s one could run a k8 cluster with amazingly low cost. There are even ready-made repos that make it lighting fast to deploy and easy to maintain... https://github.com/kube-hetzner/terraform-hcloud-kube-hetzner https://github.com/kube-hetzner/terraform-hcloud-kube-hetzne... Even Hetzner maintains a few repos for that: https://github.com/orgs/hetznercloud/repositories?q=kubernetes&type=all&language=&sort= https://github.com/orgs/hetznercloud/repositories?q=kubernet...