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Yet another blog post about how LLM can't replace people for X task. I wish there was less noise about this and more discussions on how we will (all) benefit f

Yet another blog post about how LLM can't replace people for X task. I wish there was less noise about this and more discussions on how we will (all) benefit from LLM replacing people. Like UBI, paying people to pursue their passions, etc. I personally would be fine if LLM replaced my $DAYJOB if it meant I could work on learning violin, gardening, or creating videogames.

nice_byte 4y ago
don't worry, generative models are coming after music and videogames too. hope you really like gardening...
- candiddevmike 4y ago
  Great, just like gardening, I get enjoyment out of doing the thing. Happy to share what I produce, but couldn't care less if no one else uses it.
NationalPark 4y ago
LLMs not existing isn't the reason we don't have UBI or free healthcare, or stipends to pursue passions. I think most people are understandably concerned that the benefits of these new tools will primarily accrue to the tiny elite who can afford to control the compute resources and therefor mediate access to the models. If LLM replaces a bunch of $DAYJOB you won't have people learning violin, you'll have widespread unemployment and the civil unrest that accompanies it.
- candiddevmike 4y ago
  > If LLM replaces a bunch of $DAYJOB you won't have people learning violin, you'll have people arming themselves and raiding stores of food and medical supplies. Thus the need to start talking about how we will all benefit from this and demand those kind of outcomes...
  - edgyquant 4y ago
    This isn’t how anything works dude. Automation doesn’t mean less work it means each individual can be more productive. We’ve been automating jobs for centuries, your dream of doing nothing is just an infantile dream that we all have to get over at some point.
    - dragonwriter 4y ago
      Automation means less work for any given value produced, which means greater quality of life across the board unless this increased productivity is offset in its broad effects by increased capture of value by narrowly concentrated capital. Which makes it kind of suck if you have an economic system that is so centered around maximizing the concentration of capital and the extraction of value by that class that it is named for it, but the problem there isn’t automation.
- ROTMetro 4y ago
  You won't pull yourself up by your bootstraps with that attitude! You can learn to play the violin and be homeless( Typical slacker complaining instead of just being willing to multitask).
  - greenhearth 4y ago
    seriously?
brap 4y ago
1. Who is going to sponsor your gardening work? 2. Why would they?
lpapez 4y ago
That would be great, but I don't see it happening. Instead I find it more likely that human labour will be relegated to other activities which cannot be automated like food delivery, driving, cleaning et cetera, and we will all keep working 40hr work weeks (if you are lucky to have a job).
- ROTMetro 4y ago
  Relevant: https://twitter.com/stealthygeek/status/1604513283972767745 https://twitter.com/stealthygeek/status/1604513283972767745 Quote: 1960's Futurists: Automation will free mankind from meaningless tedium to focus on creative pursuits only human beings can master. 2020's Techbros: We're building AI that will write all your books, music, and TV so you can focus on the meaningless tedious of your cubicle job.
boringuser1 4y ago
Why bother learning violin or creating video games when AI does it much better and faster?
- satvikpendem 4y ago
  This is actually an interesting question that I also see in the AI art and artist debate. The trope is that "people thought AI would replace mundane jobs leaving room for creativity, now it's automating my creative job, why even bother making art?" The answer is the same as why anyone does any hobby at all. We still run despite making cars, ships, planes, rockets that go at hundreds of miles per hour. We still play chess and Go even though an AI can beat every human on the planet. We will still make music even if AI does simply because we want to. Now, to expect to do a hobby as a job, forever (coding, art, music, whatever), that is a very privileged position to be in and most people in human history have not been that fortunate.
JohnFen 4y ago
> I personally would be fine if LLM replaced my $DAYJOB if it meant I could work on learning violin, gardening, or creating videogames. But let's be realistic -- that's not at all what it would mean.

nice_byte 4y ago

don't worry, generative models are coming after music and videogames too. hope you really like gardening...

candiddevmike 4y ago
Great, just like gardening, I get enjoyment out of doing the thing. Happy to share what I produce, but couldn't care less if no one else uses it.

NationalPark 4y ago

LLMs not existing isn't the reason we don't have UBI or free healthcare, or stipends to pursue passions. I think most people are understandably concerned that the benefits of these new tools will primarily accrue to the tiny elite who can afford to control the compute resources and therefor mediate access to the models. If LLM replaces a bunch of $DAYJOB you won't have people learning violin, you'll have widespread unemployment and the civil unrest that accompanies it.

candiddevmike 4y ago
> If LLM replaces a bunch of $DAYJOB you won't have people learning violin, you'll have people arming themselves and raiding stores of food and medical supplies. Thus the need to start talking about how we will all benefit from this and demand those kind of outcomes...
- edgyquant 4y ago
  This isn’t how anything works dude. Automation doesn’t mean less work it means each individual can be more productive. We’ve been automating jobs for centuries, your dream of doing nothing is just an infantile dream that we all have to get over at some point.
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    Automation means less work for any given value produced, which means greater quality of life across the board unless this increased productivity is offset in its broad effects by increased capture of value by narrowly concentrated capital. Which makes it kind of suck if you have an economic system that is so centered around maximizing the concentration of capital and the extraction of value by that class that it is named for it, but the problem there isn’t automation.
ROTMetro 4y ago
You won't pull yourself up by your bootstraps with that attitude! You can learn to play the violin and be homeless( Typical slacker complaining instead of just being willing to multitask).
- greenhearth 4y ago
  seriously?

brap 4y ago

1. Who is going to sponsor your gardening work? 2. Why would they?

lpapez 4y ago

That would be great, but I don't see it happening. Instead I find it more likely that human labour will be relegated to other activities which cannot be automated like food delivery, driving, cleaning et cetera, and we will all keep working 40hr work weeks (if you are lucky to have a job).

ROTMetro 4y ago
Relevant: https://twitter.com/stealthygeek/status/1604513283972767745 https://twitter.com/stealthygeek/status/1604513283972767745 Quote: 1960's Futurists: Automation will free mankind from meaningless tedium to focus on creative pursuits only human beings can master. 2020's Techbros: We're building AI that will write all your books, music, and TV so you can focus on the meaningless tedious of your cubicle job.

boringuser1 4y ago

Why bother learning violin or creating video games when AI does it much better and faster?

satvikpendem 4y ago
This is actually an interesting question that I also see in the AI art and artist debate. The trope is that "people thought AI would replace mundane jobs leaving room for creativity, now it's automating my creative job, why even bother making art?" The answer is the same as why anyone does any hobby at all. We still run despite making cars, ships, planes, rockets that go at hundreds of miles per hour. We still play chess and Go even though an AI can beat every human on the planet. We will still make music even if AI does simply because we want to. Now, to expect to do a hobby as a job, forever (coding, art, music, whatever), that is a very privileged position to be in and most people in human history have not been that fortunate.

JohnFen 4y ago

> I personally would be fine if LLM replaced my $DAYJOB if it meant I could work on learning violin, gardening, or creating videogames. But let's be realistic -- that's not at all what it would mean.