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The comparisons between the AR5 and AR6 are alarming. Now, under no emission scenarios other than low and very low which we are not tracking close to, we reach

The comparisons between the AR5 and AR6 are alarming. Now, under no emission scenarios other than low and very low which we are not tracking close to, we reach +2C at or just before 2050. Many reading this thread will see 3 degrees by the time they plan to retire. This comes with drought, undernourishment, and mass migration: https://sciencenorway.no/climate-climate-change/deadly-heat-and-extreme-rainfall-this-is-what-the-world-will-be-like-if-the-temperature-rises-by-3-degrees-according-to-researchers/1950125 https://sciencenorway.no/climate-climate-change/deadly-heat-...

juujian 4y ago
I would love to say this comes as a surprise, but it really does not. UN Secretary-General Guterres really foreshadowed that last year, and he did not mince his words. Really unusual for somebody that role, usually it is more of a diplomat-style position. > Using bogus ‘net-zero’ pledges to cover up massive fossil fuel expansion is reprehensible.
barbazoo 4y ago
> Many reading this thread will see 3 degrees by the time they plan to retire. This comes with drought, undernourishment, and mass migration I wonder what it'll feel like looking back at that point. There isn't anything that I alone can do right now to prevent this from happening, it has to be a collective action but still, we've been warned for decades, over and over, we knew what would happen. Will we regret not having mobilized more, joined every protest out there, not having written our representatives more than we did, not having made more sustainable choices than we did? I know the effect of personal choices and actions is marginal but still, I'm sure we'll feel lots and lots of regret.
- splitstud 4y ago
  Well, you could for comparison's sake look back from now to when these same warnings were issued 5, 10 or 20 years ago
- revelio 4y ago
  > I wonder what it'll feel like looking back at that point. It will feel like nothing, because everyone will have conveniently forgotten about these sorts of reports and predictions when the world stubbornly refuses to end. Just like everyone conveniently forgot that in the 50s and 60s scientists were writing to the US President to tell him that the consensus of scientists was that the world was entering a new ice age, and that he should prepare agriculture and industry for the transition. You wait and see.
  - barbazoo 4y ago
    Well, I hope you're right.
    - revelio 4y ago
      Take a look at the extinction clock. It'll make you feel better (maybe) https://extinctionclock.org/ https://extinctionclock.org/
      - barbazoo 4y ago
        What a fun page. Not sure how honest it is though. > Possible 'adverse health impacts in Australia from climate change' by 2020. From Climate Commission's 'The Critical Decade: Climate Change and Health' report, quote: "We need to act now. Decisions we make from now to 2020 will determine the severity of climate change health risks that our children and grandchildren will experience. The longer we wait, the more serious the consequences. [...] Figure 8: Possible timeline of some future adverse health impacts in Australia from climate change". Graphic showing: "Extreme weather events: deaths, hospital admissions, mental health disorders", "Dengue fever", and "Gastroenteritis" to increase from 2010 to 2019 cited from an unpublished article by McMichael in 2011. Many would say the wildfires in 2020 were one of the worst in history and definitely had adverse health impacts I would say, no? Yet the page says it didn't come true. Many others don't consider that predictions were made waaaaay before we had the means to model the impact of climate change on a grand scale. Others are just silly, who cares what Prince Charles said. Well, I guess denialists made their point once again.
- headsupernova 4y ago
  Our descendants will rightfully conclude that we were a generation of comfortable cowards. Truly unforgivable. Yet we understandably don't know what to do as individuals. The scale of the tragedy is almost inconceivable.
- shagie 4y ago
  From Kurzgesagt – In a Nutshell: Can YOU Fix Climate Change? https://youtu.be/yiw6_JakZFc https://youtu.be/yiw6_JakZFc and We WILL Fix Climate Change! https://youtu.be/LxgMdjyw8uw https://youtu.be/LxgMdjyw8uw Make sure that you watch the second one if you watch the first one.
Diederich 4y ago
All true, but as a reminder, more energy in a pseudo stable chaotic system means more extremes in both directions: more frequent floods, more frequent extreme snow events, etc., all across the globe. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/global_weirding https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/global_weirding
coolspot 4y ago
> 2050 Luckily that aligns with the singularity timeline. AGI will have a very good carrot for us to agree on its terms.
- dr_dshiv 4y ago
  It wants Ohio
  - amoss 4y ago
    It can fix the planet or it gets the hose again.
  - rolenthedeep 4y ago
    Literally nobody would miss it. We'd need another state to pick on, though. Probably West Virginia.
guerrilla 4y ago
Do people in capitals not understand or believe this? What do rich people (some of whom control large parts of the media) plan to do exactly? Die? Bunker? I mean seriously.
- Ekaros 4y ago
  They will be well enough. Maybe their mansions and yacht will be slightly smaller and they will need to find some new destination for tourism. But they will have their air conditioned and heated, homes, cars, shopping centres and so on.
- thedrbrian 4y ago
  They seem to be buying beachfront property
- lern_too_spel 4y ago
  Build walls to keep out refugees.
- MonkeyMalarky 4y ago
  Die? I think it's die. Look at Biden, Putin, Xi, and Rupert Murdoch they range from old to really fucking old.
- Nevermark 4y ago
  The problem is to gain political power you have to out compete others for money and votes. Understanding a problem, and being able to hold on to power while making the hard decisions is a classic unsolved problem in politics. But it's infinitely harder with very few (two!?!) high centralized litmus-tested groupthink political parties, incentivized to lock up power unilaterally, and marginalize the power of other parties, not skills conducive to governing. And also infinitely harder with unlimited spending by corporations (who are not citizens, and don't share the interests of citizens), where tiny groups of executives get to leverage all their companies resources toward tilting the political field in their favor, in order to get massive bonuses for feeding insatiable shareholder demand. But without reflecting any of the decency that shareholders might actually have. It's the moloch beast. The whole system is the problem, but it's near impossible to improve the system's design because it will fight that at every step. It mindlessly cares about its own survival. Which is how it came to be. Even if every single person in the system actually wants to do the hard things that will keep the planet in good shape.

juujian 4y ago

I would love to say this comes as a surprise, but it really does not. UN Secretary-General Guterres really foreshadowed that last year, and he did not mince his words. Really unusual for somebody that role, usually it is more of a diplomat-style position. > Using bogus ‘net-zero’ pledges to cover up massive fossil fuel expansion is reprehensible.

barbazoo 4y ago

> Many reading this thread will see 3 degrees by the time they plan to retire. This comes with drought, undernourishment, and mass migration I wonder what it'll feel like looking back at that point. There isn't anything that I alone can do right now to prevent this from happening, it has to be a collective action but still, we've been warned for decades, over and over, we knew what would happen. Will we regret not having mobilized more, joined every protest out there, not having written our representatives more than we did, not having made more sustainable choices than we did? I know the effect of personal choices and actions is marginal but still, I'm sure we'll feel lots and lots of regret.

splitstud 4y ago
Well, you could for comparison's sake look back from now to when these same warnings were issued 5, 10 or 20 years ago
revelio 4y ago
> I wonder what it'll feel like looking back at that point. It will feel like nothing, because everyone will have conveniently forgotten about these sorts of reports and predictions when the world stubbornly refuses to end. Just like everyone conveniently forgot that in the 50s and 60s scientists were writing to the US President to tell him that the consensus of scientists was that the world was entering a new ice age, and that he should prepare agriculture and industry for the transition. You wait and see.
- barbazoo 4y ago
  Well, I hope you're right.
  - revelio 4y ago
    Take a look at the extinction clock. It'll make you feel better (maybe) https://extinctionclock.org/ https://extinctionclock.org/
    - barbazoo 4y ago
      What a fun page. Not sure how honest it is though. > Possible 'adverse health impacts in Australia from climate change' by 2020. From Climate Commission's 'The Critical Decade: Climate Change and Health' report, quote: "We need to act now. Decisions we make from now to 2020 will determine the severity of climate change health risks that our children and grandchildren will experience. The longer we wait, the more serious the consequences. [...] Figure 8: Possible timeline of some future adverse health impacts in Australia from climate change". Graphic showing: "Extreme weather events: deaths, hospital admissions, mental health disorders", "Dengue fever", and "Gastroenteritis" to increase from 2010 to 2019 cited from an unpublished article by McMichael in 2011. Many would say the wildfires in 2020 were one of the worst in history and definitely had adverse health impacts I would say, no? Yet the page says it didn't come true. Many others don't consider that predictions were made waaaaay before we had the means to model the impact of climate change on a grand scale. Others are just silly, who cares what Prince Charles said. Well, I guess denialists made their point once again.
headsupernova 4y ago
Our descendants will rightfully conclude that we were a generation of comfortable cowards. Truly unforgivable. Yet we understandably don't know what to do as individuals. The scale of the tragedy is almost inconceivable.
shagie 4y ago
From Kurzgesagt – In a Nutshell: Can YOU Fix Climate Change? https://youtu.be/yiw6_JakZFc https://youtu.be/yiw6_JakZFc and We WILL Fix Climate Change! https://youtu.be/LxgMdjyw8uw https://youtu.be/LxgMdjyw8uw Make sure that you watch the second one if you watch the first one.

Diederich 4y ago

All true, but as a reminder, more energy in a pseudo stable chaotic system means more extremes in both directions: more frequent floods, more frequent extreme snow events, etc., all across the globe. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/global_weirding https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/global_weirding

coolspot 4y ago

> 2050 Luckily that aligns with the singularity timeline. AGI will have a very good carrot for us to agree on its terms.

dr_dshiv 4y ago
It wants Ohio
- amoss 4y ago
  It can fix the planet or it gets the hose again.
- rolenthedeep 4y ago
  Literally nobody would miss it. We'd need another state to pick on, though. Probably West Virginia.

guerrilla 4y ago

Do people in capitals not understand or believe this? What do rich people (some of whom control large parts of the media) plan to do exactly? Die? Bunker? I mean seriously.

Ekaros 4y ago
They will be well enough. Maybe their mansions and yacht will be slightly smaller and they will need to find some new destination for tourism. But they will have their air conditioned and heated, homes, cars, shopping centres and so on.
thedrbrian 4y ago
They seem to be buying beachfront property
lern_too_spel 4y ago
Build walls to keep out refugees.
MonkeyMalarky 4y ago
Die? I think it's die. Look at Biden, Putin, Xi, and Rupert Murdoch they range from old to really fucking old.
Nevermark 4y ago
The problem is to gain political power you have to out compete others for money and votes. Understanding a problem, and being able to hold on to power while making the hard decisions is a classic unsolved problem in politics. But it's infinitely harder with very few (two!?!) high centralized litmus-tested groupthink political parties, incentivized to lock up power unilaterally, and marginalize the power of other parties, not skills conducive to governing. And also infinitely harder with unlimited spending by corporations (who are not citizens, and don't share the interests of citizens), where tiny groups of executives get to leverage all their companies resources toward tilting the political field in their favor, in order to get massive bonuses for feeding insatiable shareholder demand. But without reflecting any of the decency that shareholders might actually have. It's the moloch beast. The whole system is the problem, but it's near impossible to improve the system's design because it will fight that at every step. It mindlessly cares about its own survival. Which is how it came to be. Even if every single person in the system actually wants to do the hard things that will keep the planet in good shape.