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I don't buy this definition where everyone is having their own metaverse. There's nothing meta about that. If anything is a metaverse it's the internet, and it

I don't buy this definition where everyone is having their own metaverse. There's nothing meta about that. If anything is a metaverse it's the internet, and it just sucks as a metaverse because we've let big companies and their walled gardens dominate it and prevent freedom of movement. Practically, metaverse is now a useless word since Zuck and team started promoting/misusing it. Prior to the misuse, it had always meant a single unified network[0]. I maintain that if there is no one metaverse, there are none. Don't let the confused BS that comes from marketing people change the meaning of words. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaverse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaverse

kibwen 4y ago
There may have been only one metaverse in Snow Crash, but there's absolutely nothing that requires there to be only one metaverse. Hell, practically the whole point of virtual reality is to remove the limits and scarcity of the physical world, and thus limiting yourself to a single metaverse is antithetical to the very concept. At its most basic, a metaverse is just a persistent virtual space shared among multiple users. We have lots of those, and have had them for years, and unsurprisingly they're pretty much all video games.
- antifa 4y ago
  > practically the whole point of virtual reality is to remove the limits and scarcity of the physical world This alone makes Zuckerberg's project not a metaverse IMO. The whole thing exists to enforce scarcity.
- smolder 4y ago
  > but there's absolutely nothing that requires there to be only one metaverse. Aside from how it was specifically used, the way the word is formulated alone suggests there should only be one. Meta loosely means above, and encompassing, on a higher plane. Verse comes from universe obviously. The unified world, above everything. This is just another case of people confidently misusing words so prominently that the meaning changes, which "is allowed", obviously. > a metaverse is just a persistent virtual space shared among multiple users. We have lots of those, and have had them for years Yes, we've had them for years, and we didn't call them metaverses, and nothing was lost in that time. That's good evidence for my prior assertion that the word (with its new definition) is practically useless.
  - kibwen 4y ago
    I think we're just having a semantic argument now; just because meta roughly means "above" doesn't imply singularity (you could envision a metametaverse above multiple metaverses). And the existence of a singular observable universe doesn't preclude the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics or the accompanying "multiverse".
  - JohnFen 4y ago
    > That's good evidence for my prior assertion that the word (with its new definition) is practically useless. I think the word is not only useless, it's actively off-putting to most people.
- smolder 4y ago
  > limiting yourself to a single metaverse is antithetical to the very concept. I want to also dispute this point. The idea of the metaverse from Snow Crash was one that was federated and interoperable, like the internet was historically, and still remains, at a low level. The standardized nature of the metaverse's spacial analogy was key to the concept. It was the internet, but represented and navigable as physical space. I'd say it's "independent metaverses" that are antithetical to the concept of a metaverse.

kibwen 4y ago

There may have been only one metaverse in Snow Crash, but there's absolutely nothing that requires there to be only one metaverse. Hell, practically the whole point of virtual reality is to remove the limits and scarcity of the physical world, and thus limiting yourself to a single metaverse is antithetical to the very concept. At its most basic, a metaverse is just a persistent virtual space shared among multiple users. We have lots of those, and have had them for years, and unsurprisingly they're pretty much all video games.

antifa 4y ago
> practically the whole point of virtual reality is to remove the limits and scarcity of the physical world This alone makes Zuckerberg's project not a metaverse IMO. The whole thing exists to enforce scarcity.
smolder 4y ago
> but there's absolutely nothing that requires there to be only one metaverse. Aside from how it was specifically used, the way the word is formulated alone suggests there should only be one. Meta loosely means above, and encompassing, on a higher plane. Verse comes from universe obviously. The unified world, above everything. This is just another case of people confidently misusing words so prominently that the meaning changes, which "is allowed", obviously. > a metaverse is just a persistent virtual space shared among multiple users. We have lots of those, and have had them for years Yes, we've had them for years, and we didn't call them metaverses, and nothing was lost in that time. That's good evidence for my prior assertion that the word (with its new definition) is practically useless.
- kibwen 4y ago
  I think we're just having a semantic argument now; just because meta roughly means "above" doesn't imply singularity (you could envision a metametaverse above multiple metaverses). And the existence of a singular observable universe doesn't preclude the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics or the accompanying "multiverse".
- JohnFen 4y ago
  > That's good evidence for my prior assertion that the word (with its new definition) is practically useless. I think the word is not only useless, it's actively off-putting to most people.
smolder 4y ago
> limiting yourself to a single metaverse is antithetical to the very concept. I want to also dispute this point. The idea of the metaverse from Snow Crash was one that was federated and interoperable, like the internet was historically, and still remains, at a low level. The standardized nature of the metaverse's spacial analogy was key to the concept. It was the internet, but represented and navigable as physical space. I'd say it's "independent metaverses" that are antithetical to the concept of a metaverse.