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States and companies have been successfully creating fiction masquerading as reality for centuries. The only thing AI can change here is it makes it more commo

by trasz3 4y ago

States and companies have been successfully creating fiction masquerading as reality for centuries. The only thing AI can change here is it makes it more commonly available. And that might end up reducing the effectiveness of this manipulation by raising people’s awareness.

partiallypro 4y ago
I don't think that is going to be the case, more people today believe outright lies than just a few years ago. If you dress up something as official (ie good branding, etc) looking, people will believe it. Even a fake Epstein flight log floats around and people believe it, now imagine telling someone a video of a politician doing something that never happened isn't real. Might work at first, but then suddenly there is a real video, but people will say it's fake, etc. There were massive account take downs from fictitious people not that long ago, some had millions of followers. That was without AI, with AI it cost a fraction to do that on a much larger scale. This is going to be so abused heavily, I think people are absolutely naive if they think this will be a smooth ride into the future. AI is going to cause massive problems in the next decade, and tech companies that create it will not suffer any consequences for it, they'll actually grow to be much more powerful. I don't know the answer, but worrying about it and acknowledging this is a likely outcome isn't a crazy idea. As I said, a bunch of upset and distrustful people that can no longer make ends meet because AI took their job is a great way to cause huge conflicts. We've lived in a relatively peaceful time, we take that for granted, it isn't always like that.
- trasz3 4y ago
  >I don't think that is going to be the case, more people today believe outright lies than just a few years ago. Vastly fewer people believe in outright lies now than a couple of decades ago. Fringe theories of all kinds used to be commonly accepted, much more than they are now. Religiously motivated homophobia is a good example. And I’d claim that making it easier to spread falsehoods made it so, by training people to be less naive.
  - partiallypro 4y ago
    I see and hear way more crazy things now than at any point in my life, even from people I consider fairly smart. COVID made people distrustful of everything. So, I am going to strongly disagree. What you're talking about is social evolution, I am talking about people believing things such as the derailing in Ohio being on purpose to distract from x, y and z. People get pieces of information, and then hear it spun in a way that is completely false. There are millions of people that believe this stuff. That is very new, at least in how far spread it is. There are people that think there is no war in Ukraine at all and this is all a "Wag the Dog" situation. If you aren't hearing these things, go to a local bar and bring it up. I guarantee you will find people you'd not suspect believing something absolutely devoid from reality, even in "blue" areas. You will be shocked at the volume of people that agree or chime in with something even more crazy. It is something I've noticed which started around 2020, and it's very alarming. With AI this will become even more confusing and widespread, as it's easier and easier to fake things or come up with "facts" written in long form that aren't based in reality at all. Gen Z might become immune to this, but every other generation before it? I don't think so. Now imagine millions of people that believe things like this that now have no job, or if they do it's lower paying. It has the potential to be very bad. This might not happen in 2023 or even 2025, but at the speed AI is currently moving, it can't be more than a decade away from massive displacement and realism in generation that will threaten many threads of society.

by trasz3 4y ago

partiallypro 4y ago

I don't think that is going to be the case, more people today believe outright lies than just a few years ago. If you dress up something as official (ie good branding, etc) looking, people will believe it. Even a fake Epstein flight log floats around and people believe it, now imagine telling someone a video of a politician doing something that never happened isn't real. Might work at first, but then suddenly there is a real video, but people will say it's fake, etc. There were massive account take downs from fictitious people not that long ago, some had millions of followers. That was without AI, with AI it cost a fraction to do that on a much larger scale. This is going to be so abused heavily, I think people are absolutely naive if they think this will be a smooth ride into the future. AI is going to cause massive problems in the next decade, and tech companies that create it will not suffer any consequences for it, they'll actually grow to be much more powerful. I don't know the answer, but worrying about it and acknowledging this is a likely outcome isn't a crazy idea. As I said, a bunch of upset and distrustful people that can no longer make ends meet because AI took their job is a great way to cause huge conflicts. We've lived in a relatively peaceful time, we take that for granted, it isn't always like that.

trasz3 4y ago
>I don't think that is going to be the case, more people today believe outright lies than just a few years ago. Vastly fewer people believe in outright lies now than a couple of decades ago. Fringe theories of all kinds used to be commonly accepted, much more than they are now. Religiously motivated homophobia is a good example. And I’d claim that making it easier to spread falsehoods made it so, by training people to be less naive.
- partiallypro 4y ago
  I see and hear way more crazy things now than at any point in my life, even from people I consider fairly smart. COVID made people distrustful of everything. So, I am going to strongly disagree. What you're talking about is social evolution, I am talking about people believing things such as the derailing in Ohio being on purpose to distract from x, y and z. People get pieces of information, and then hear it spun in a way that is completely false. There are millions of people that believe this stuff. That is very new, at least in how far spread it is. There are people that think there is no war in Ukraine at all and this is all a "Wag the Dog" situation. If you aren't hearing these things, go to a local bar and bring it up. I guarantee you will find people you'd not suspect believing something absolutely devoid from reality, even in "blue" areas. You will be shocked at the volume of people that agree or chime in with something even more crazy. It is something I've noticed which started around 2020, and it's very alarming. With AI this will become even more confusing and widespread, as it's easier and easier to fake things or come up with "facts" written in long form that aren't based in reality at all. Gen Z might become immune to this, but every other generation before it? I don't think so. Now imagine millions of people that believe things like this that now have no job, or if they do it's lower paying. It has the potential to be very bad. This might not happen in 2023 or even 2025, but at the speed AI is currently moving, it can't be more than a decade away from massive displacement and realism in generation that will threaten many threads of society.