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First of all, I appreciate your openness here. To me, constructive debate is best when people are honest and human, so thank you. > But I can't relinquish the

First of all, I appreciate your openness here. To me, constructive debate is best when people are honest and human, so thank you. > But I can't relinquish the belief that without an unguided, open path towards either making art or money-as-substitute, there would literally no reason to wake up in the morning. Technology is amoral; humans put their morals into and upon technology through its creation and use. Fans of GPT and generative AI are hoping they can put good values, like you describe here, into these technologies. But humans are flawed, and we tend to put all our values, spoken or unspoken, into the things we create. So yes, GPT could create a new form of oppression. But that’s on us. AI is going to happen whether we want it to or not, and we tend to use new technologies for exploitation. My personal view is that letting our hunger for growth at all costs drive our decision making leads us down the exploitation path.

noduerme 4y ago
I think the quest for growth at the societal level can be reduced to the quest for recognition and praise at the individual level. As such, it's not inherently evil. But GPT itself is a malignant outgrowth of "growth". One that strangles all other cells in the system. Not simply a new form of oppression, but a literal cancer on an already weakened creative civilization. GPT represents the (temporary, current, for a month) apotheosis of the growth-at-all-costs mentality; so it's vaguely surreal to hear it defended as if it were arriving to liberate for the common man. [edit] I do appreciate the engagement and fine conversation!
- teucris 4y ago
  > I think the quest for growth at the societal level can be reduced to the quest for recognition and praise at the individual level. Ah I think this is where we fundamentally disagree. I think creative expression, recognition, and praise can all exist in a stable state society. Specifically, recognition is not universally a competition where we must outdo each other. Regardless, I agree that GPT isn’t going to liberate anyone. There are ways these technologies could improve our lives, but we’re not pursuing those paths.

noduerme 4y ago

I think the quest for growth at the societal level can be reduced to the quest for recognition and praise at the individual level. As such, it's not inherently evil. But GPT itself is a malignant outgrowth of "growth". One that strangles all other cells in the system. Not simply a new form of oppression, but a literal cancer on an already weakened creative civilization. GPT represents the (temporary, current, for a month) apotheosis of the growth-at-all-costs mentality; so it's vaguely surreal to hear it defended as if it were arriving to liberate for the common man. [edit] I do appreciate the engagement and fine conversation!

teucris 4y ago
> I think the quest for growth at the societal level can be reduced to the quest for recognition and praise at the individual level. Ah I think this is where we fundamentally disagree. I think creative expression, recognition, and praise can all exist in a stable state society. Specifically, recognition is not universally a competition where we must outdo each other. Regardless, I agree that GPT isn’t going to liberate anyone. There are ways these technologies could improve our lives, but we’re not pursuing those paths.