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Your complaint seems mostly to be about the tone of the people who are angry at you. Again, I invite you to consider if that anger occurs in a context that mig

Your complaint seems mostly to be about the tone of the people who are angry at you. Again, I invite you to consider if that anger occurs in a context that might make it be or seem justified. For example, many people are a little irate when they are on the cusp of losing nearly everything. Many people now perceive they are on the cusp of losing everything. Are they, really? I'd say, yeah, probably. Either way, your feelings about people who are angry at you are not as important as understanding those feelings, and understanding the feelings of the people who are angry at you. Go for the understanding. "I'm fatigued by the anger" is not an appropriate response to a circumstance where your team may in fact have done something very wrong. Are we the baddies? https://youtu.be/hn1VxaMEjRU https://youtu.be/hn1VxaMEjRU

Kim_Bruning 4y ago
So far, what I've seen of Filigrees activities, they are not the baddies here.
- 1attice 4y ago
  You missed the 'we'. I meant: is our industry benefitting by eating other industries? The answer seems to be "yes, obviously." Does that make us the baddies?
p_l 4y ago
To add some context... Filligree's "sin" was the audacity to use AI generated art in their fiction writing, instead of paying commission, and being opposed to proposal for banning AI art where they posted said writings, with argument for ban being that "AI art is inherently theft, immoral and evil", with no possibility of ethical use accepted. Funnily enough, proposal was from someone who earned a lot of money by violating technically the same aspects of copyright, except harder (fan-art is much more of a derivative work than training a model where each individual image might have added ~2bits to the model). Personally I'll add that I do not remember anything other than neutrality or more or less concealed glee from the same corners when the discussion was about how outsourcing and the like would eradicate my source of income, which arguably makes it much more to feel positive thoughts towards people advocating such proposals. So, with regards to whether Filligree is with the baddies... I recommend not invoking Godwin for puny things.

Kim_Bruning 4y ago

So far, what I've seen of Filigrees activities, they are not the baddies here.

1attice 4y ago
You missed the 'we'. I meant: is our industry benefitting by eating other industries? The answer seems to be "yes, obviously." Does that make us the baddies?

p_l 4y ago

To add some context... Filligree's "sin" was the audacity to use AI generated art in their fiction writing, instead of paying commission, and being opposed to proposal for banning AI art where they posted said writings, with argument for ban being that "AI art is inherently theft, immoral and evil", with no possibility of ethical use accepted. Funnily enough, proposal was from someone who earned a lot of money by violating technically the same aspects of copyright, except harder (fan-art is much more of a derivative work than training a model where each individual image might have added ~2bits to the model). Personally I'll add that I do not remember anything other than neutrality or more or less concealed glee from the same corners when the discussion was about how outsourcing and the like would eradicate my source of income, which arguably makes it much more to feel positive thoughts towards people advocating such proposals. So, with regards to whether Filligree is with the baddies... I recommend not invoking Godwin for puny things.