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I've found that there are two approaches - shotgun and sniper. Shotgun approach - figure out what software speciality and industry you want (for me, it's Data

I've found that there are two approaches - shotgun and sniper. Shotgun approach - figure out what software speciality and industry you want (for me, it's Data Engineering in Biotech/anything life sciences), and apply to every single job that you seem fit for. I applied to 20, heard back from 2-3. Sniper approach - if you find a job that you actually really want, work your network as hard as you can. Find a friend who is connected with the company, ask them to make an introduction. Find random people at the company, LinkedIn message the hiring manager, do anything you can to get an interview. Once you get an interview, you have a chance, but the hard part is getting the interview.

bluedino 4y ago
I've used the sniper approach. Where have you been? We've been trying FOREVER to find a good person for this role. You should have been working here years ago! "I applied like 6 times. Nobody ever called me back."
- smallerfish 4y ago
  Job posting: "If you aren't an exact fit on paper, please apply anyway". ATS system: "Candidate does not have staff software enginer for 5 years of job titles + doesn't have 'SQL' and 'HTML' listed in their skills section" = /dev/null
  - bluefirebrand 4y ago
    Hiring Manager: I can train the skills if the person is right and has a solid foundation HR recruiter: I don't want to actually have to look through all of these resumes to find "close" matches.
    - feoren 4y ago
      Hiring Manager: Okay, fine, then just forward me all the resumes you get, and I'll look through them! HR recruiter: No
JohnFen 4y ago
I do both. I estimate how long I am willing to go without a job. for the first half of that time, I'm a sniper, applying for dream jobs. If I haven't landed one by the time the second half begins, I start going shotgun.
- mattnewton 4y ago
  Interesting, I always start the shotgun well before I expect dream offers to pan out. I feel that I negotiate and interview best when I have a been interviewing and have offers in hand.
  - pg_1234 4y ago
    I've only ever landed jobs worth having via the sniper strategy. However, with the ease of passively employing the shotgun approach using a good Linkedin profile, it's definitely worth doing that if only to benchmark the job market a bit.
  - busterarm 4y ago
    While I do concur with you about negotiating and interviewing best, I like to save shotgun for last because often the interview process from all of those companies slows me down a lot. Especially the companies that give you projects to do :/ While it stinks to feel like you've done worse going for jobs that you really care about, it helps to remind yourself that all companies have communication/social problems that will impede your work. No company is really all that special.
  - devstein 4y ago
    I agree. I think it's common for people to start with the shotgun approach to build confidence interviewing then start sniping a few dream roles as they start to get further along with the shotgun companies
the_only_law 4y ago
At this point I’m stuck with the machine gun approach: “spray and pray”.
0x0000000 4y ago
Fishing with nets vs spears, same idea. Both can be useful depending on your circumstances and goals.
908B64B197 4y ago
There's a third: the net. Always send a polite response to recruiters (but scripted). Asking for more info about the job, and concrete comp numbers. Serious recruiters won't hesitate to give it out (keep in mind they get a portion of it!). Body shops won't share that info but at this point it's ok to ignore them.

bluedino 4y ago

I've used the sniper approach. Where have you been? We've been trying FOREVER to find a good person for this role. You should have been working here years ago! "I applied like 6 times. Nobody ever called me back."

smallerfish 4y ago
Job posting: "If you aren't an exact fit on paper, please apply anyway". ATS system: "Candidate does not have staff software enginer for 5 years of job titles + doesn't have 'SQL' and 'HTML' listed in their skills section" = /dev/null
- bluefirebrand 4y ago
  Hiring Manager: I can train the skills if the person is right and has a solid foundation HR recruiter: I don't want to actually have to look through all of these resumes to find "close" matches.
  - feoren 4y ago
    Hiring Manager: Okay, fine, then just forward me all the resumes you get, and I'll look through them! HR recruiter: No

JohnFen 4y ago

I do both. I estimate how long I am willing to go without a job. for the first half of that time, I'm a sniper, applying for dream jobs. If I haven't landed one by the time the second half begins, I start going shotgun.

mattnewton 4y ago
Interesting, I always start the shotgun well before I expect dream offers to pan out. I feel that I negotiate and interview best when I have a been interviewing and have offers in hand.
- pg_1234 4y ago
  I've only ever landed jobs worth having via the sniper strategy. However, with the ease of passively employing the shotgun approach using a good Linkedin profile, it's definitely worth doing that if only to benchmark the job market a bit.
- busterarm 4y ago
  While I do concur with you about negotiating and interviewing best, I like to save shotgun for last because often the interview process from all of those companies slows me down a lot. Especially the companies that give you projects to do :/ While it stinks to feel like you've done worse going for jobs that you really care about, it helps to remind yourself that all companies have communication/social problems that will impede your work. No company is really all that special.
- devstein 4y ago
  I agree. I think it's common for people to start with the shotgun approach to build confidence interviewing then start sniping a few dream roles as they start to get further along with the shotgun companies

the_only_law 4y ago

At this point I’m stuck with the machine gun approach: “spray and pray”.

0x0000000 4y ago

Fishing with nets vs spears, same idea. Both can be useful depending on your circumstances and goals.

908B64B197 4y ago

There's a third: the net. Always send a polite response to recruiters (but scripted). Asking for more info about the job, and concrete comp numbers. Serious recruiters won't hesitate to give it out (keep in mind they get a portion of it!). Body shops won't share that info but at this point it's ok to ignore them.