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What the fuck do you even mean with "nothing happens", when the climate has been changing noticeably for the past decade already?

DiggyJohnson 4y ago
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- aaomidi 4y ago
  To be honest, majority of environmentalists don’t care to change our tone to make obvious concern trolls happy anymore. Nothing has worked and your condescending tone doesn’t help with anything either. Have you tried to reason with the average Q person? It’s not possible. Enjoy being depressed: https://old.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasualties/hot https://old.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasualties/hot
  - starkd 4y ago
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- starkd 4y ago
  People generally do not respond to insults. It only takes a little imagination to see how you react when someone swears at you. Invert the situation. It is a basic empathy test that they fail.
- numbers_guy 4y ago
  I am not trying to communicate anything; just reacting with absolute bewilderment at somebody who is so far removed from reality, that he seemingly has not stepped outside in the past decade.
aaomidi 4y ago
I know right? We’re seeing crop failure after crop failure. Whole ecosystems are collapsing. Tornados and floods are happening in places they had never happened in. Europe and the US are going to be impacted way later than everyone else other than the immigration wave they’re going to have to deal with. It’s a sick joke that the countries with the ability to do something about this are also going to be the last ones severely impacted.
- sazz 4y ago
  China, USA, India, Russia - those are countries producing most of the CO2. Take those four countries and you have roughly half of the emissions. Do you really think China will change anything economical at all when Germany or Great Britian cripled themselves to death? Do you think Russia highest priority is the reduction of CO2?
  - myrmidon 4y ago
    China is currently at around European level in CO2/capita (~8tons CO2/capita/year). US is SIGNIFICANTLY worse by about a factor of two (~15tons CO2/capita/year). "The west" has currently pretty much ZERO moral standing when pushing for more drastic anti-CO2 policies in China and especially developing nations like India or Africa. This is not taking "exported" emissions into account and considering cumulative emissions draws an even more dire picture. "The ball is in China/India/Russias court, not much we can do now" is such blatant hypocrisy it still sickens me every time I encounter it. Please don't spread it.
    - sazz 4y ago
      You cannot solve a puzzle by picking out one piece. You solve a puzzle by looking at all the pieces and not stylising yourself as the moral hero and assuming that everyone else will follow. That is short-sighted thinking. A per capita figure may play a role in politics in negotiations, but it is not relevant for solving the problem. It is like accusing a Norwegian living in a fjord of wasting water. For example, it is completely irrelevant how high the per capita consumption of an Icelander is. Or a Greenlander. Because it doesn't solve the problem. Yes, the US has a higher consumption. But it's just 334 million inhabitants vs 1,440 million in China (which still puts America in the top five, but far behind China). If you really want to solve the problem then you need to develop a practical solution for China. But let me ask you a question: Let's imagine that everything is suddenly perfect in your country. The economy has suffered brutally because of all the changes, but you are now the world leader in CO2 per capita consumption. What do you think happens then?
      - 4y ago

DiggyJohnson 4y ago

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aaomidi 4y ago
To be honest, majority of environmentalists don’t care to change our tone to make obvious concern trolls happy anymore. Nothing has worked and your condescending tone doesn’t help with anything either. Have you tried to reason with the average Q person? It’s not possible. Enjoy being depressed: https://old.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasualties/hot https://old.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasualties/hot
- starkd 4y ago
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starkd 4y ago
People generally do not respond to insults. It only takes a little imagination to see how you react when someone swears at you. Invert the situation. It is a basic empathy test that they fail.
numbers_guy 4y ago
I am not trying to communicate anything; just reacting with absolute bewilderment at somebody who is so far removed from reality, that he seemingly has not stepped outside in the past decade.

aaomidi 4y ago

I know right? We’re seeing crop failure after crop failure. Whole ecosystems are collapsing. Tornados and floods are happening in places they had never happened in. Europe and the US are going to be impacted way later than everyone else other than the immigration wave they’re going to have to deal with. It’s a sick joke that the countries with the ability to do something about this are also going to be the last ones severely impacted.

sazz 4y ago
China, USA, India, Russia - those are countries producing most of the CO2. Take those four countries and you have roughly half of the emissions. Do you really think China will change anything economical at all when Germany or Great Britian cripled themselves to death? Do you think Russia highest priority is the reduction of CO2?
- myrmidon 4y ago
  China is currently at around European level in CO2/capita (~8tons CO2/capita/year). US is SIGNIFICANTLY worse by about a factor of two (~15tons CO2/capita/year). "The west" has currently pretty much ZERO moral standing when pushing for more drastic anti-CO2 policies in China and especially developing nations like India or Africa. This is not taking "exported" emissions into account and considering cumulative emissions draws an even more dire picture. "The ball is in China/India/Russias court, not much we can do now" is such blatant hypocrisy it still sickens me every time I encounter it. Please don't spread it.
  - sazz 4y ago
    You cannot solve a puzzle by picking out one piece. You solve a puzzle by looking at all the pieces and not stylising yourself as the moral hero and assuming that everyone else will follow. That is short-sighted thinking. A per capita figure may play a role in politics in negotiations, but it is not relevant for solving the problem. It is like accusing a Norwegian living in a fjord of wasting water. For example, it is completely irrelevant how high the per capita consumption of an Icelander is. Or a Greenlander. Because it doesn't solve the problem. Yes, the US has a higher consumption. But it's just 334 million inhabitants vs 1,440 million in China (which still puts America in the top five, but far behind China). If you really want to solve the problem then you need to develop a practical solution for China. But let me ask you a question: Let's imagine that everything is suddenly perfect in your country. The economy has suffered brutally because of all the changes, but you are now the world leader in CO2 per capita consumption. What do you think happens then?
    - 4y ago