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I had to leave an instance because the maintainer said pro-life views were forbidden. Didn't matter whether you expressed them or not - the owner had a policy a

I had to leave an instance because the maintainer said pro-life views were forbidden. Didn't matter whether you expressed them or not - the owner had a policy against private opinions. I agree with your point about freedom of association, but let's not pretend this is just limited to racism. And if you support the concept of free association, what do you do when it collides with civil rights law?

nicoburns 4y ago
The great thing about Mastadon is that you're not actually excluded by being banned from a particular instance, you can go and join an instance that is aligned with your worldview (and as I understand it, still interact with people from other instances).
- konart 4y ago
  What do I do if instance A (this is where the person I follow) decides to ban instance B (my instance of choice)? What if this happens more than once? Should I reregister every month and refollow the same people again and again? What if I set up my own server and people will decide that some of my toots are not "left" or "progressive" enough?
  - eclipxe 4y ago
    Well that’s society working as designed I think.
    - konart 4y ago
      Really? wow, okay. Thank god I'm not part of this society.
LBJsPNS 4y ago
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- realjhol 4y ago
  > How very sad for you. Someone running a private server doesn't want you coming into their living room and taking a dump on the floor, metaphorically speaking. I'm sure if you look around you can find an instance where sexist views are tolerated, and even encouraged. I'm not a sexist. I love women which is why I don't want them to be killed in the womb. I didn't do anything in his living room. He said "we don't serve your kind here", so I left. OK if that's the rules - fine, but don't then complain about your friends being refused service. We either have freedom of association or we don't.
  - LBJsPNS 4y ago
    I don't associate with neo-nazis, neo-confederates, racists, sexists, insurrectionists, kiddy diddlers, and the like. So I haven't had that problem with being refused service. Tell me, is it a problem for you? I can't possibly imagine why.
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krapp 4y ago
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- realjhol 4y ago
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  - SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
    > Civil rights trumps freedom of association, and indeed all other rights. Wait, I can't ask you to leave my property because I don't like what you're saying? Also, isn't freedom of association explicitly a civil right?
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- konart 4y ago
  >I see you self-identify as a "honkler", which is an explicitly neo-nazi As a Russian who is lost in modern english langauge: does this "honkler" thing has anything to do with https://humungus.tedunangst.com/r/honk https://humungus.tedunangst.com/r/honk? Also a golang fediverse project.
  - krapp 4y ago
    No: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Clown_World https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Clown_World
    - dmatech 4y ago
      Neither RW nor Wikipedia are reliable sources for what is alt-right, neo-Nazi, or any other contentious term. The terms themselves are largely a matter of opinion, and the sources used to make these determinations don't even pretend to be objective.

nicoburns 4y ago

The great thing about Mastadon is that you're not actually excluded by being banned from a particular instance, you can go and join an instance that is aligned with your worldview (and as I understand it, still interact with people from other instances).

konart 4y ago
What do I do if instance A (this is where the person I follow) decides to ban instance B (my instance of choice)? What if this happens more than once? Should I reregister every month and refollow the same people again and again? What if I set up my own server and people will decide that some of my toots are not "left" or "progressive" enough?
- eclipxe 4y ago
  Well that’s society working as designed I think.
  - konart 4y ago
    Really? wow, okay. Thank god I'm not part of this society.

LBJsPNS 4y ago

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realjhol 4y ago
> How very sad for you. Someone running a private server doesn't want you coming into their living room and taking a dump on the floor, metaphorically speaking. I'm sure if you look around you can find an instance where sexist views are tolerated, and even encouraged. I'm not a sexist. I love women which is why I don't want them to be killed in the womb. I didn't do anything in his living room. He said "we don't serve your kind here", so I left. OK if that's the rules - fine, but don't then complain about your friends being refused service. We either have freedom of association or we don't.
- LBJsPNS 4y ago
  I don't associate with neo-nazis, neo-confederates, racists, sexists, insurrectionists, kiddy diddlers, and the like. So I haven't had that problem with being refused service. Tell me, is it a problem for you? I can't possibly imagine why.
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krapp 4y ago

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realjhol 4y ago
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- SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
  > Civil rights trumps freedom of association, and indeed all other rights. Wait, I can't ask you to leave my property because I don't like what you're saying? Also, isn't freedom of association explicitly a civil right?
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konart 4y ago
>I see you self-identify as a "honkler", which is an explicitly neo-nazi As a Russian who is lost in modern english langauge: does this "honkler" thing has anything to do with https://humungus.tedunangst.com/r/honk https://humungus.tedunangst.com/r/honk? Also a golang fediverse project.
- krapp 4y ago
  No: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Clown_World https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Clown_World
  - dmatech 4y ago
    Neither RW nor Wikipedia are reliable sources for what is alt-right, neo-Nazi, or any other contentious term. The terms themselves are largely a matter of opinion, and the sources used to make these determinations don't even pretend to be objective.