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Bad manager isn't an excuse you get to use for not working. Coworkers are depending on you.

by postalrat 4y ago

SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
There's a difference between real and performative work. Bad managers only look for one of those.
- robertlagrant 4y ago
  A true Scotsman would never commit such a logical fallacy.
  - SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
    I don't think that's a fair comparison - I'm not saying that there is no such thing as real work - there absolutely it. Real work is collaborating to get a goal accomplished. Performative work is sitting at your desk at 4pm on Friday even though no one has done any work since noon because the long weekend is coming up, or sitting in the 3rd meeting in the week that's about the same topic that no one has bothered expanding their knowledge upon since the first meeting.
    - robertlagrant 4y ago
      I'm saying the no true Scotsman is on your definition of bad manager, as though they can only recognise performative work.
      - yunohn 4y ago
        This thread makes me think you’ve never worked at a corporate company or FAANG.
        robertlagrant 4y ago
        I'm pretty sure at least some people who've worked at corporate companies or FAANGs can spot fallacies!
        yunohn 4y ago
        There is no value in labelling fallacies, unless you have a legitimate point to make outside of being contrarian.
        robertlagrant 4y ago
        My point remains that bad managers can spot real work as well. I find it a little ironic that your purely contrarian approach would include levelling that accusation at me. I've tried to keep it light-hearted, but I think I've tried enough.
tablespoon 4y ago
> Bad manager isn't an excuse you get to use for not working. Coworkers are depending on you. Correction: Unless you're working in some kind of cooperative, which you almost certainly are not, it's actually the shareholders who are depending on you. Your coworkers only depend on you to the extent that they're also dedicated to serving the shareholders.
- postalrat 4y ago
  And it's the people who don't want to work that should set the pace?

Bad manager isn't an excuse you get to use for not working. Coworkers are depending on you.

SketchySeaBeast 4y ago

There's a difference between real and performative work. Bad managers only look for one of those.

robertlagrant 4y ago
A true Scotsman would never commit such a logical fallacy.
- SketchySeaBeast 4y ago
  I don't think that's a fair comparison - I'm not saying that there is no such thing as real work - there absolutely it. Real work is collaborating to get a goal accomplished. Performative work is sitting at your desk at 4pm on Friday even though no one has done any work since noon because the long weekend is coming up, or sitting in the 3rd meeting in the week that's about the same topic that no one has bothered expanding their knowledge upon since the first meeting.
  - robertlagrant 4y ago
    I'm saying the no true Scotsman is on your definition of bad manager, as though they can only recognise performative work.
    - yunohn 4y ago
      This thread makes me think you’ve never worked at a corporate company or FAANG.
      - robertlagrant 4y ago
        I'm pretty sure at least some people who've worked at corporate companies or FAANGs can spot fallacies!
        yunohn 4y ago
        There is no value in labelling fallacies, unless you have a legitimate point to make outside of being contrarian.
        robertlagrant 4y ago
        My point remains that bad managers can spot real work as well. I find it a little ironic that your purely contrarian approach would include levelling that accusation at me. I've tried to keep it light-hearted, but I think I've tried enough.

tablespoon 4y ago

> Bad manager isn't an excuse you get to use for not working. Coworkers are depending on you. Correction: Unless you're working in some kind of cooperative, which you almost certainly are not, it's actually the shareholders who are depending on you. Your coworkers only depend on you to the extent that they're also dedicated to serving the shareholders.

postalrat 4y ago
And it's the people who don't want to work that should set the pace?