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That must be so demoralizing to read. Not just from the creators side but the maintainers too. I've always felt really proud when contributing to an OS project

That must be so demoralizing to read. Not just from the creators side but the maintainers too. I've always felt really proud when contributing to an OS project and it's approved and merged etc. But never once have I thought to complain or even give my sometimes bad opinions on stuff. I don't know how OS providers and maintainers do it.

calpaterson 4y ago
I wonder if it is demoralising. Imagine any project you worked on for multiple years - and someone suggests it could be rewritten (and better) in a long weekend. How would you feel and respond? I might laugh a bit, but I probably wouldn't spend much time on it. The part of FOSS I think would be demoralising for me would be dealing with all the people who assume that the maintainer of a piece of software is a customer service operative who exists solely to reply to them in a timely fashion.
- kriro 4y ago
  My response would be...don't just talk about it, do it. Looking forward to your follow up post "I rewrote Curl". If it's better, we'll just use your version going forward. Then maybe for kicks and giggles once a year: "Hi, just a quick followup...did you ever get around to rewriting Curl? Cause I know you could." The best thing is to just ignore this completely though and focus on the stuff that you are doing.
mikelovenotwar 4y ago
The staggering ignorance, posted publicly must be demoralising after a while. E.G. https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Screenshot-2023-03-01-at-09-01-41-david-on-Twitter.png https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Scree...
rwalle 4y ago
If I were a maintainer of curl I would LOL at these comments and read them just for fun
gchamonlive 4y ago
https://youtu.be/YWdD206eSv0 https://youtu.be/YWdD206eSv0
jmuguy 4y ago
I imagine they have pretty thick skin. There's a lot of dumbasses on the internet.
alias_neo 4y ago
I hope not, and I doubt it. I mean, the people behind curl/libcurl and the people saying those things linked in OP are on different planes of existence. It reminds me of a funny story from my university days (sorry I don't tell it too well); I'm in some electronics theory class, I forget the title, the lecturer is writing some equations on the board as he talks us through them; the guy next to me nudges me and goes, what an idiot, that's not omega; he proceeds to put his hand up like a child, thrusting it repeatedly in the air, so he can share what an idiot this guy is with him and the class; I ask him quietly not to do it, he ignores me, and carries on until he distracts the prof and the class; prof walks over and asks what's up? Guy makes his point, loud enough for everyone to hear; prof smiles, hands him the chalk and sits down. Guy sits there for a minute looking confused so the prof gets back up, takes the chalk back and says loud enough for everyone; "You don't want to teach this lecture? No? Ok. But you DO want to tell a Greek guy how to write Greek? grin" - Dr Ioannis Alexandrou Great lecturer, cool guy, I hope he's doing well.
- aleph_minus_one 4y ago
  > "You don't want to teach this lecture? No? Ok. But you DO want to tell a Greek guy how to write Greek? grin" - Dr Ioannis Alexandrou A person who knows Greek quite well once told me that I wrote some Greek letters wrongly. From her (linguistic) knowledge perspective about the Greek alphabet, she was surely right, but some Greek letters are very commonly written somewhat differently by mathematicians than by people who know Greek. In this sense: I know quite well how some Greek letters are nearly always written by mathematicians, which can be a little bit different from how they are written by people who know Greek.
  - alias_neo 4y ago
    I understand how that can happen. This was as a simple case of, the lecturer had written a lowercase omega, and this guy was ignorant of Greek having a lower-case alphabet full-stop.

calpaterson 4y ago

I wonder if it is demoralising. Imagine any project you worked on for multiple years - and someone suggests it could be rewritten (and better) in a long weekend. How would you feel and respond? I might laugh a bit, but I probably wouldn't spend much time on it. The part of FOSS I think would be demoralising for me would be dealing with all the people who assume that the maintainer of a piece of software is a customer service operative who exists solely to reply to them in a timely fashion.

kriro 4y ago
My response would be...don't just talk about it, do it. Looking forward to your follow up post "I rewrote Curl". If it's better, we'll just use your version going forward. Then maybe for kicks and giggles once a year: "Hi, just a quick followup...did you ever get around to rewriting Curl? Cause I know you could." The best thing is to just ignore this completely though and focus on the stuff that you are doing.

mikelovenotwar 4y ago

The staggering ignorance, posted publicly must be demoralising after a while. E.G. https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Screenshot-2023-03-01-at-09-01-41-david-on-Twitter.png https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Scree...

rwalle 4y ago

If I were a maintainer of curl I would LOL at these comments and read them just for fun

gchamonlive 4y ago

https://youtu.be/YWdD206eSv0 https://youtu.be/YWdD206eSv0

jmuguy 4y ago

I imagine they have pretty thick skin. There's a lot of dumbasses on the internet.

alias_neo 4y ago

I hope not, and I doubt it. I mean, the people behind curl/libcurl and the people saying those things linked in OP are on different planes of existence. It reminds me of a funny story from my university days (sorry I don't tell it too well); I'm in some electronics theory class, I forget the title, the lecturer is writing some equations on the board as he talks us through them; the guy next to me nudges me and goes, what an idiot, that's not omega; he proceeds to put his hand up like a child, thrusting it repeatedly in the air, so he can share what an idiot this guy is with him and the class; I ask him quietly not to do it, he ignores me, and carries on until he distracts the prof and the class; prof walks over and asks what's up? Guy makes his point, loud enough for everyone to hear; prof smiles, hands him the chalk and sits down. Guy sits there for a minute looking confused so the prof gets back up, takes the chalk back and says loud enough for everyone; "You don't want to teach this lecture? No? Ok. But you DO want to tell a Greek guy how to write Greek? grin" - Dr Ioannis Alexandrou Great lecturer, cool guy, I hope he's doing well.

aleph_minus_one 4y ago
> "You don't want to teach this lecture? No? Ok. But you DO want to tell a Greek guy how to write Greek? grin" - Dr Ioannis Alexandrou A person who knows Greek quite well once told me that I wrote some Greek letters wrongly. From her (linguistic) knowledge perspective about the Greek alphabet, she was surely right, but some Greek letters are very commonly written somewhat differently by mathematicians than by people who know Greek. In this sense: I know quite well how some Greek letters are nearly always written by mathematicians, which can be a little bit different from how they are written by people who know Greek.
- alias_neo 4y ago
  I understand how that can happen. This was as a simple case of, the lecturer had written a lowercase omega, and this guy was ignorant of Greek having a lower-case alphabet full-stop.