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I knew something changed after AlphaGo. Compute could do what we thought only true intelligence can do. So I agree, LLMs are not a black swan. It will change ev

I knew something changed after AlphaGo. Compute could do what we thought only true intelligence can do. So I agree, LLMs are not a black swan. It will change everything, nevertheless. I keep reading these opinions that LLMs are just doing some advanced form of copy paste. Actually, we don't know what they are doing. Are they actually doing some form of modelling and abstraction? Seems likely to me.

Jensson 4y ago
AlphaGo is basically the same as image recognition, not sure why you thought AlphaGo was special compared to detecting faces. AlphaGo works the same way but maps game structures on a Go board instead of mapping facial structures and comparing those to known people.
- FrustratedMonky 4y ago
  It was able to beat the top GO player. What does it matter if that technology is also used in image recognition. I'd say that if its 'brain' can play games and recognize people, or in case of ChatGPT4, can talk and play chess, this is all starting to sound pretty 'General' to me.
- auggierose 4y ago
  That's exactly the kind of attitude I am talking about. You can rationalise pretty much everything and keep moving the goal post. I've seen AI do something nobody thought was possible. If that doesn't influence how you think about AI I cannot help you.
  - kthejoker2 4y ago
    Nobody?
    - auggierose 4y ago
      Well, maybe the self-driving car people thought it was possible. But I don't take them seriously.
shanebellone 4y ago
"I keep reading these opinions that LLMs are just doing some advanced form of copy paste. Actually, we don't know what they are doing. Are they actually doing some form of modelling and abstraction? Seems likely to me." This is exactly the problem with AI. For business or government, the answer is as important as the methodology employed. A black box does not work for the majority of use cases. Until it can show its work, it's a sideshow.
- BurningFrog 4y ago
  Humans are also "black boxes" we don't fully understand. It's worked pretty well.
  - shanebellone 4y ago
    This is a shallow counterargument that entirely misses the point.
    - BurningFrog 4y ago
      This is not even an argument, only a disagreement.
      - shanebellone 4y ago
        "This is not even an argument, only a disagreement." It's a straw man. The need for transparency in process is known, documented, and undisputed. Your comment has no relevance. My brain might be a black box, but I can still communicate and/or document the specifics of a process. Can [insert your preferred model] do that? Didn't think so.
  - tracker1 4y ago
    Given the changes in health over the past century and a half as we've adopted "science" into food, I'm not sure that I agree.
- auggierose 4y ago

Jensson 4y ago

AlphaGo is basically the same as image recognition, not sure why you thought AlphaGo was special compared to detecting faces. AlphaGo works the same way but maps game structures on a Go board instead of mapping facial structures and comparing those to known people.

FrustratedMonky 4y ago
It was able to beat the top GO player. What does it matter if that technology is also used in image recognition. I'd say that if its 'brain' can play games and recognize people, or in case of ChatGPT4, can talk and play chess, this is all starting to sound pretty 'General' to me.
auggierose 4y ago
That's exactly the kind of attitude I am talking about. You can rationalise pretty much everything and keep moving the goal post. I've seen AI do something nobody thought was possible. If that doesn't influence how you think about AI I cannot help you.
- kthejoker2 4y ago
  Nobody?
  - auggierose 4y ago
    Well, maybe the self-driving car people thought it was possible. But I don't take them seriously.

shanebellone 4y ago

"I keep reading these opinions that LLMs are just doing some advanced form of copy paste. Actually, we don't know what they are doing. Are they actually doing some form of modelling and abstraction? Seems likely to me." This is exactly the problem with AI. For business or government, the answer is as important as the methodology employed. A black box does not work for the majority of use cases. Until it can show its work, it's a sideshow.

BurningFrog 4y ago
Humans are also "black boxes" we don't fully understand. It's worked pretty well.
- shanebellone 4y ago
  This is a shallow counterargument that entirely misses the point.
  - BurningFrog 4y ago
    This is not even an argument, only a disagreement.
    - shanebellone 4y ago
      "This is not even an argument, only a disagreement." It's a straw man. The need for transparency in process is known, documented, and undisputed. Your comment has no relevance. My brain might be a black box, but I can still communicate and/or document the specifics of a process. Can [insert your preferred model] do that? Didn't think so.
- tracker1 4y ago
  Given the changes in health over the past century and a half as we've adopted "science" into food, I'm not sure that I agree.
auggierose 4y ago