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Reddit to vacate current headquarters and relocate
- petodo 4y agowhy even bother wasting money on office space and not let everyone work from home?
- hijinks 4y agobecause how else will bad managers know people they manage are working?
- postalrat 4y agoBad manager isn't an excuse you get to use for not working. Coworkers are depending on you.
- SketchySeaBeast 4y agoThere's a difference between real and performative work. Bad managers only look for one of those.
- robertlagrant 4y agoA true Scotsman would never commit such a logical fallacy.
- SketchySeaBeast 4y agoI don't think that's a fair comparison - I'm not saying that there is no such thing as real work - there absolutely it. Real work is collaborating to get a goal accomplished. Performative work is sitting at your desk at 4pm on Friday even though no one has done any work since noon because the long weekend is coming up, or sitting in the 3rd meeting in the week that's about the same topic that no one has bothered expanding their knowledge upon since the first meeting.
- robertlagrant 4y agoI'm saying the no true Scotsman is on your definition of bad manager, as though they can only recognise performative work.
- yunohn 4y agoThis thread makes me think you’ve never worked at a corporate company or FAANG.
- robertlagrant 4y agoI'm pretty sure at least some people who've worked at corporate companies or FAANGs can spot fallacies!
- yunohn 4y agoThere is no value in labelling fallacies, unless you have a legitimate point to make outside of being contrarian.
- robertlagrant 4y agoMy point remains that bad managers can spot real work as well. I find it a little ironic that your purely contrarian approach would include levelling that accusation at me. I've tried to keep it light-hearted, but I think I've tried enough.
- tablespoon 4y ago> Bad manager isn't an excuse you get to use for not working. Coworkers are depending on you. Correction: Unless you're working in some kind of cooperative, which you almost certainly are not, it's actually the shareholders who are depending on you. Your coworkers only depend on you to the extent that they're also dedicated to serving the shareholders.
- postalrat 4y agoAnd it's the people who don't want to work that should set the pace?
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- KyeRussell 4y agoThis luke-warm take doesn’t make you look like the enlightened individuals you think it does. - Not everyone likes working fully remote. - Not all work is best done remotely. - Some situations require micromanagement. - Some people need the sort of hands-on in-person management to have them achieve their best. All of these things justify office space, and all of them can be true without invalidating your very apparent personal preference toward fully remote work. None of these points are particularly hot takes. Just the realities of the workplace instead of me being blinded by my personal desires for how things should be. It’d be great if none of these were true. As a remote employee myself, personally save me a lot of travel time. But I can’t just close my eyes and write snarky Hacker News comments and magic it into reality.
- fendy3002 4y agoThey don't want their employees to reddit all day from own home
- petodo 4y agowhy would they care? just pay them by task/result, not by hour and you don't need to care how much and when they work if they fulfill deadlines
- tablespoon 4y ago> why would they care? just pay them by task/result, not by hour and you don't need to care how much and when they work if they fulfill deadlines No developer with any sense or dignity is going to work at a piece-rate. And honestly, it doesn't make much sense for an employer, either. Do you want all your productivity evaporating into a never-ending haggle over tasks and what happens when someone can't complete one for reasons outside his control?
- nicenewtemp84 4y agoIve posted here with varying screen names that I worked in car sales and outperformed national average by over 300%, for a decade. All commission performance based pay. Made about $250k a year working 10 feet away from coworkers making 50k a year doing the exact same job and basically the same hours. The people making $50k a year can tell you tons of stories about things that weren't in their control. High performers realize everything is in their control to fix or push to a large degree, and even if that one task does implode out of your control, you take it and grin and move on to the next task. Would you really turn down the chance to make 5x what your coworkers do, just because sometimes in a blue moon you got screwed on a particular task and didn't get paid for it?
- tablespoon 4y agoSo? Car sales is so different from software development, there are few profitable comparisons to be made. You might as well assume it's nothing like software development. Piece-rate only makes any sense if you're doing the same thing over and over. If you're developing the same piece of software over and over, something in seriously wrong.
- bergie 4y agoWhen I still had a company, we had everybody working from home for years. But then we had one employee who didn’t have a good workspace available, so we ended up renting a small office for him. That then became the “company headquarters” as far as snail mail was concerned.
- 35229615 4y agoThis discussion has been had thousands of times on this board. If you're genuinely curious, the search function is very capable.
- petodo 4y agohttps://www.grammarly.com/blog/rhetorical-question/ https://www.grammarly.com/blog/rhetorical-question/
- bioemerl 4y agoThey are staying in California, in case anyone was curious and didn't want to read the article.
- tablespoon 4y agoAnd they're also apparently staying in San Francisco, too: > The online discussion forum, which previously subleased 78,000 square feet of office space at 1455 Market Street, is planning to significantly reduce its footprint when it leaves the Mid-Market neighborhood later this year. The social media platform will soon move to a 47,000-square-foot space at 303 Second St. in SoMa, as the San Francisco Chronicle first reported.
- smith7018 4y ago> [Reddit] which previously subleased 78,000 square feet ... will soon move to a 47,000-square-foot space Good, this is the kind of post-covid planning we need to see from companies. This will save money while letting those that want to come into the office still have a place to work. It's insane how many employers are forcing employees back to the office because they refuse to let go of their pre-covid building leases.
- prepend 4y agoI’m still surprised they are keeping 47k square feet. Even if it all 200 square foot offices that’s still space for 200 people and that seems like a pretty big amount for people wanting to work in the office. Wikipedia reports[0] they had 700 employees in 2021. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reddit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reddit
- Aromasin 4y agoWouldn't be surprised if many of them are working in a hybrid, 1-3 days a week in the office, situation. In that case a swathe of them would be coming in for weekly team syncs, sticky issues meetings, new-hire onboarding & training, and so on. Even just to socialize (queue the angry WFH hardliner saying that workplace relationships don't exist) you'd need somewhere. You'd still need to space, even if utilization is way down.
- CydeWeys 4y agoThat's not how office space works though. Only about half the square footage max is actual office/desk space. The rest is hallways, meeting rooms, kitchens/cafes, reception, various amenities, etc.
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- vlan0 4y ago>It's insane how many employers are forcing employees back to the office because they refuse to let go of their pre-covid building leases. There's so much money tied up in commercial real estate. It feels like a complimented mess. Just look at NYC. Building owners will let units sit vacant for years rather than lower rent costs. Which then lowers building value, etc.
- sbate1987 4y ago[dead]