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> Musk has described the Tesla “Full Self-Driving” technology as “the difference between Tesla being worth a lot of money and being worth basically zero,” I ca

> Musk has described the Tesla “Full Self-Driving” technology as “the difference between Tesla being worth a lot of money and being worth basically zero,” I can't imagine how a meeting would go if an engineer has to explain to Musk that Full Self-Driving will take a long long time, way longer than it will take him to buy another company.

watwut 4y ago
Musk would fire the engineer or otherwise punished him. Other engineers would take the lesson and would stop saying such things.
Fricken 4y ago
Sterling Anderson, the second autopilot director, was fired by Elon for insisting on the importance of Lidar. Sterling went on to cofound L4 startup Aurora, which Elon then, shortly after, attempted to sue into oblivion with a frivolous trade secrets theft lawsuit. Elon's sabotage efforts go back to the original EyeQ3 autopilot system from Mobileye. Elon had his people hack the system and push it's capabilities beyond it's safe design constraints, which led to Mobileye terminating it's contract with Tesla, following the death of Joshua Brown. If Tesla had simply played nice with Mobileye in the first place they would have saved themselves so much trouble.
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- temp2022account 4y ago
  Man that's dumb; I tested my Hyundai Elantra vs a Model 3 and found the Elantra's steering wheel actually tracked the road, in comparison the Tesla kinda swayed from side to side and only moved the wheel when on a direct (>15 degree angle) course to exit the lane it was in. I expect car sensors will grow in much the same way as sensors used in airliners, and that industry ensures _everything_ is redundant so one sensor failure domain can't compromise the entire vehicle.
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  - lesuorac 4y ago
    > I expect car sensors will grow in much the same way as sensors used in airliners, and that industry ensures _everything_ is redundant so one sensor failure domain can't compromise the entire vehicle. Might want to not underline _everything_. > Boeing admitted MCAS played a role in both accidents, when it acted on false data from a single angle of attack (AoA) sensor. [1] [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maneuvering_Characteristics_Augmentation_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maneuvering_Characteristics_Au...

watwut 4y ago

Musk would fire the engineer or otherwise punished him. Other engineers would take the lesson and would stop saying such things.

Fricken 4y ago

Sterling Anderson, the second autopilot director, was fired by Elon for insisting on the importance of Lidar. Sterling went on to cofound L4 startup Aurora, which Elon then, shortly after, attempted to sue into oblivion with a frivolous trade secrets theft lawsuit. Elon's sabotage efforts go back to the original EyeQ3 autopilot system from Mobileye. Elon had his people hack the system and push it's capabilities beyond it's safe design constraints, which led to Mobileye terminating it's contract with Tesla, following the death of Joshua Brown. If Tesla had simply played nice with Mobileye in the first place they would have saved themselves so much trouble.

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temp2022account 4y ago
Man that's dumb; I tested my Hyundai Elantra vs a Model 3 and found the Elantra's steering wheel actually tracked the road, in comparison the Tesla kinda swayed from side to side and only moved the wheel when on a direct (>15 degree angle) course to exit the lane it was in. I expect car sensors will grow in much the same way as sensors used in airliners, and that industry ensures _everything_ is redundant so one sensor failure domain can't compromise the entire vehicle.
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- lesuorac 4y ago
  > I expect car sensors will grow in much the same way as sensors used in airliners, and that industry ensures _everything_ is redundant so one sensor failure domain can't compromise the entire vehicle. Might want to not underline _everything_. > Boeing admitted MCAS played a role in both accidents, when it acted on false data from a single angle of attack (AoA) sensor. [1] [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maneuvering_Characteristics_Augmentation_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maneuvering_Characteristics_Au...