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This, all day long. Find a local Farmer, buy meat, vegetables, and dairy from them. Not only will you have great quality products straight from the source, bu

by b3nji 4y ago

This, all day long. Find a local Farmer, buy meat, vegetables, and dairy from them. Not only will you have great quality products straight from the source, but the farmer will get good profit too. Also, the food is so much better for you than the processed shit that you find in most supermarkets nowadays. Local food, and local people is so much better for all the things.

cies 4y ago
Dairy? There's literally no evidence dairy in a modern diet is healthy, and much evidence of it being unhealthy.
- orangepurple 4y ago
  Regular pasteurized milk is problematic due to the presence of nucleic acids that are biologically active in humans. Fermented food products like yogurt are fine. UHT milk is OK. Milk is not just food but most likely a genetic transfection system activating mTORC1 signaling for postnatal growth https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23883112/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23883112/
  - cies 4y ago
    Yes it contains (natural) growth hormones. And we (milk binging nations) wonder how we got so fat?!
    - orangepurple 4y ago
      No, you do not quite understand: it is much more serious than "growth hormones" like rBST. Milk drinkers are inserting bovine RNA into their cells (unless it is heavily fermented or UHT) > Milk is rich in miRNAs that appear to play important roles in the postnatal development of all mammals. https://nutritionandmetabolism.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12986-016-0101-2 https://nutritionandmetabolism.biomedcentral.com/articles/10... > There is compelling evidence that human and bovine milk exosomes play a crucial role for adequate metabolic and immunological programming of the newborn infant at the beginning of extrauterine life. Milk exosomes assist in executing an anabolic, growth-promoting and immunological program confined to the postnatal period in all mammals. However, epidemiological and translational evidence presented in this review indicates that continuous exposure of humans to exosomes of pasteurized milk may confer a substantial risk for the development of chronic diseases of civilization including obesity, type 2 diabetes mellitus, osteoporosis, common cancers (prostate, breast, liver, B-cells) as well as Parkinson's disease. Exosomes of pasteurized milk may represent new pathogens that should not reach the human food chain. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6317263/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6317263/
      - cies 4y ago
        How did dairy ever become a health food is beyond me. (lobby + tradition probably) The whole "calcium" argument is also totally debunked.
        orangepurple 4y ago
        Cows convert grass to something drinkable and caloric so it's good for surviving on the steppe with your cows.
- lm28469 4y ago
  Half of Americans aren't obese because of dairy. The leading cause of death isn't cardiovascular disease because of dairy. Everything is unhealthy if you look hard enough, before looking at dairy I'd look at sodas, sugar/carbs in everything, &c.
  - throwaway290 4y ago
    Was there ever a study?
    - lm28469 4y ago
      Yes, we're all part of it right now. Feel free to check pretty much any study about obesity or western diet. Or just go for a walk down the street or in an hospital
      - throwaway290 4y ago
        The question is how many of them don't consume dairy I guess. Probably most do.
  - cies 4y ago
    How do you know? Dairy (especially high processed and in large quantities) is certainly a contributing factor.
- hack_edu 4y ago
  No one thinks that peanuts and vegetable oil combine into some magic superfood, yet Plumpy'nut is concretely beneficial to keeping people fed and healthy. Now, consider this same rationale into to a kind of poverty close to home. There is plenty of evidence that milk in school lunches is often the only reliable daily source of calcium and protein for millions of impoverished children worldwide. Contextualized one way, milk is a meal replacement or nutrition supplement, and one that is more practical than most other options. A serving of whole milk requires zero on-site prep time, is relatively portable once packaged, and perhaps more importantly, it is often the most palatable option for picky eaters. Public health is complicated.
  - cies 4y ago
    > for millions of impoverished children worldwide. Did you read I wrote "modern diet". Those are not the typical HN reading crowd. Also: you could give them leafy greens can lentils to achieve the same.
  - cies 4y ago
    Those impoverished kids you talk about are often lactose intolerant. Sure the benefits of the dairy nutrition may outweigh the problems of the intolerance.
    - hack_edu 4y ago
      > Those impoverished kids you talk about are often lactose intolerant. Exactly. Same goes for other common allergies options like legumes, seafood, and gluten. That's why you provide options.

by b3nji 4y ago

cies 4y ago

Dairy? There's literally no evidence dairy in a modern diet is healthy, and much evidence of it being unhealthy.

orangepurple 4y ago
Regular pasteurized milk is problematic due to the presence of nucleic acids that are biologically active in humans. Fermented food products like yogurt are fine. UHT milk is OK. Milk is not just food but most likely a genetic transfection system activating mTORC1 signaling for postnatal growth https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23883112/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23883112/
- cies 4y ago
  Yes it contains (natural) growth hormones. And we (milk binging nations) wonder how we got so fat?!
  - orangepurple 4y ago
    No, you do not quite understand: it is much more serious than "growth hormones" like rBST. Milk drinkers are inserting bovine RNA into their cells (unless it is heavily fermented or UHT) > Milk is rich in miRNAs that appear to play important roles in the postnatal development of all mammals. https://nutritionandmetabolism.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12986-016-0101-2 https://nutritionandmetabolism.biomedcentral.com/articles/10... > There is compelling evidence that human and bovine milk exosomes play a crucial role for adequate metabolic and immunological programming of the newborn infant at the beginning of extrauterine life. Milk exosomes assist in executing an anabolic, growth-promoting and immunological program confined to the postnatal period in all mammals. However, epidemiological and translational evidence presented in this review indicates that continuous exposure of humans to exosomes of pasteurized milk may confer a substantial risk for the development of chronic diseases of civilization including obesity, type 2 diabetes mellitus, osteoporosis, common cancers (prostate, breast, liver, B-cells) as well as Parkinson's disease. Exosomes of pasteurized milk may represent new pathogens that should not reach the human food chain. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6317263/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6317263/
    - cies 4y ago
      How did dairy ever become a health food is beyond me. (lobby + tradition probably) The whole "calcium" argument is also totally debunked.
      - orangepurple 4y ago
        Cows convert grass to something drinkable and caloric so it's good for surviving on the steppe with your cows.
lm28469 4y ago
Half of Americans aren't obese because of dairy. The leading cause of death isn't cardiovascular disease because of dairy. Everything is unhealthy if you look hard enough, before looking at dairy I'd look at sodas, sugar/carbs in everything, &c.
- throwaway290 4y ago
  Was there ever a study?
  - lm28469 4y ago
    Yes, we're all part of it right now. Feel free to check pretty much any study about obesity or western diet. Or just go for a walk down the street or in an hospital
    - throwaway290 4y ago
      The question is how many of them don't consume dairy I guess. Probably most do.
- cies 4y ago
  How do you know? Dairy (especially high processed and in large quantities) is certainly a contributing factor.
hack_edu 4y ago
No one thinks that peanuts and vegetable oil combine into some magic superfood, yet Plumpy'nut is concretely beneficial to keeping people fed and healthy. Now, consider this same rationale into to a kind of poverty close to home. There is plenty of evidence that milk in school lunches is often the only reliable daily source of calcium and protein for millions of impoverished children worldwide. Contextualized one way, milk is a meal replacement or nutrition supplement, and one that is more practical than most other options. A serving of whole milk requires zero on-site prep time, is relatively portable once packaged, and perhaps more importantly, it is often the most palatable option for picky eaters. Public health is complicated.
- cies 4y ago
  > for millions of impoverished children worldwide. Did you read I wrote "modern diet". Those are not the typical HN reading crowd. Also: you could give them leafy greens can lentils to achieve the same.
- cies 4y ago
  Those impoverished kids you talk about are often lactose intolerant. Sure the benefits of the dairy nutrition may outweigh the problems of the intolerance.
  - hack_edu 4y ago
    > Those impoverished kids you talk about are often lactose intolerant. Exactly. Same goes for other common allergies options like legumes, seafood, and gluten. That's why you provide options.