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And what did the artist do at art school/formation years? Just learned strokes with zero references to works of art nor culture? Besides a diffuser trained jus

And what did the artist do at art school/formation years? Just learned strokes with zero references to works of art nor culture? Besides a diffuser trained just in public domain is going to be as dangerous to their job, they seem to generalize well enough, and if their style is anywhere close to anything existing pre 1920 they will have ai spitting out the exact same thing they do and no recourse. And to get to the point, actual creations can use these tools to increase their output then fold or more. A reduction in commission price is to be expected, as is expected for them to use the tools to produce more. They are not outcompeted by ai, they are outcompeted by a new crop of artists bracing ai tools to work at a greater volume and thus can sustain a lower price point. More art will be produced, not less, and those in true danger are the artisans that aren't embracing the ai industrial revolution.

Riverheart 4y ago
Humans come and go but AI is forever and shouldn’t be treated as if they’re the same. Human society is for humans but we’re creating immortal models that can be forever improved and will outperform all current and future humans. So what, the current generation embraces it and the next gets replaced by it entirely? Seems tech won’t be satisfied till its devalued the entire human experience of growth and effort and replaced it with quick answers and cheap results.
- CamperBob2 4y ago
  And these arguments are different from those employed by the OG Luddites, how...?
  - Riverheart 4y ago
    I’m sorry does it need to be? Does being a Luddite invalidate the argument I’m making or perhaps you can see that all technology has trade offs and perhaps this moves the needle too far in one direction. By all means continue using Luddite as a slam dunk argument not to consider the impact of this technology on society vs previous forms of automation. Edit: Then one day when the species goes extinct because we’ve got our robo-waifus we can exclaim in our final breathes that the luddites were wrong. All technology is great, no issues whatsoever. Edit2: I’m kidding of course. We’ll either automate baby making and/or have the means to live forever so there’s no incentive to reproduce. Silly luddites and their antiquated notions of human relationships and death. What will they complain about next, human cloning or brainwashing? They’ll probably bring out some trope like “stop playing god” or “stop bending people to your will”. The technology exists so it must be used. If I don’t brainwash people someone else will right? The ones who fail to adapt to the changing world will just have to do whatever I say.
    - CamperBob2 4y ago
      (Shrug) There are two careers to avoid if you prefer things to stay the same over time: 1) technology; and 2) art. A rising tide really does lift all boats, whether you believe it or not. History furnishes no exceptions to this rule.
      - Riverheart 4y ago
        I’d like that to be true but the argument that people who champion AI always make is that those who embrace the technology will out compete those who don’t. This technology isn’t free, certainly not globally. Sounds like power will concentrate in the hands of early adopters. If AI makes everyone productive then labor value goes down. I’m just having a hard time seeing this as a massive benefit to ordinary people.
        CamperBob2 4y ago
        In that regard you do have a valid point. Equitable access to models is going to be a huge, huge deal. Things aren't getting off to a great start in that regard. To those looking at becoming politically active in this area, it will be much better to work to democratize AI than it will be to try to stop it. The former will be difficult, the latter impossible.

Riverheart 4y ago

Humans come and go but AI is forever and shouldn’t be treated as if they’re the same. Human society is for humans but we’re creating immortal models that can be forever improved and will outperform all current and future humans. So what, the current generation embraces it and the next gets replaced by it entirely? Seems tech won’t be satisfied till its devalued the entire human experience of growth and effort and replaced it with quick answers and cheap results.

CamperBob2 4y ago
And these arguments are different from those employed by the OG Luddites, how...?
- Riverheart 4y ago
  I’m sorry does it need to be? Does being a Luddite invalidate the argument I’m making or perhaps you can see that all technology has trade offs and perhaps this moves the needle too far in one direction. By all means continue using Luddite as a slam dunk argument not to consider the impact of this technology on society vs previous forms of automation. Edit: Then one day when the species goes extinct because we’ve got our robo-waifus we can exclaim in our final breathes that the luddites were wrong. All technology is great, no issues whatsoever. Edit2: I’m kidding of course. We’ll either automate baby making and/or have the means to live forever so there’s no incentive to reproduce. Silly luddites and their antiquated notions of human relationships and death. What will they complain about next, human cloning or brainwashing? They’ll probably bring out some trope like “stop playing god” or “stop bending people to your will”. The technology exists so it must be used. If I don’t brainwash people someone else will right? The ones who fail to adapt to the changing world will just have to do whatever I say.
  - CamperBob2 4y ago
    (Shrug) There are two careers to avoid if you prefer things to stay the same over time: 1) technology; and 2) art. A rising tide really does lift all boats, whether you believe it or not. History furnishes no exceptions to this rule.
    - Riverheart 4y ago
      I’d like that to be true but the argument that people who champion AI always make is that those who embrace the technology will out compete those who don’t. This technology isn’t free, certainly not globally. Sounds like power will concentrate in the hands of early adopters. If AI makes everyone productive then labor value goes down. I’m just having a hard time seeing this as a massive benefit to ordinary people.
      - CamperBob2 4y ago
        In that regard you do have a valid point. Equitable access to models is going to be a huge, huge deal. Things aren't getting off to a great start in that regard. To those looking at becoming politically active in this area, it will be much better to work to democratize AI than it will be to try to stop it. The former will be difficult, the latter impossible.