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Taiwan and Singapore did not do extended lockdowns. They had lockdowns, but we could still order food delivered, still go out to buy food or go to the doctor, a

Taiwan and Singapore did not do extended lockdowns. They had lockdowns, but we could still order food delivered, still go out to buy food or go to the doctor, and we had constant updates on the number of infections, as the rate went down, restrictions were relaxed.

onethought 4y ago
That is still a lockdown. So the argument isn’t against Chinese doing lockdowns, it’s “how” they did them?
- opinionsonly01 4y ago
  You claimed they had extended lockdowns. That is not true. I said they had lockdowns, they did not have extended lockdowns. Please stop spreading misinformation. Edit: I also reframed for your last comment > China had the added complication of not having a vaccinated population. Partly due to them having too many people, partly due to their population being skeptical of "Western Medicine". But since you're defending it. People in China prefer paid western vaccines over free local ones. The CCP refused to allow western vaccines to be used in China for COVID.
  - onethought 4y ago
    You are now entering a pretty minor argument of semantics. Extended lockdowns vs non-extended? Melbourne did lockdowns for effectively 4 months, longer than any single Chinese lockdown. So even on that point you are incorrect. This isn’t misinformation. It didn’t refuse vaccines, you can get them in HK, and Chinese are free to travel to HK (for a variety of reasons). There is not enough of them, that’s the problem.
    - opinionsonly01 4y ago
      > Melbourne did lockdowns for effectively 4 months You claimed Singapore and Taiwan has 'extended' lockdowns. I called you out. Now you're back peddling and trying to justify your statement with "but but but melbourne, you didn't mention melbourne and they had long lockdown!!!" > It didn’t refuse vaccines, you can get them in HK, and Chinese are free to travel to HK. It does refuse, and clearly you're not from China or you're just lying because China didn't recognize citizens who returned home with vaccines that were not Chinese. Not everyone is allowed to travel to HK. So your statement is completely false.
      - onethought 4y ago
        No, my original point included Melbourne as well. Singapore and Taiwan both did lockdowns as well. Not as long as China true, so your point really is the semantics of length? No, I'm not from China, but that has little to do with any point I've made. Vaccines were never an option for Chinese, they had a locally made one that didn't work well enough, and they could have never secured the number required of mRNA. If it refused them, then how did HK get them? Which statement that I've made is false?
        opinionsonly01 4y ago
        They were an option. China refused to approve Pfizer despite having distribution rights in HK/Macau/China, and manufacturing facilities to produce it in China. Instead opting for local vaccines. You claim Singapore / Taiwan had extended lockdowns > This is false. You claim China could never secure mRNA vaccines > This is false. You claim Chinese are free to travel to HK (to get the vaccine) > This is false.
        onethought 4y ago
        Singapore locked down from early April to June… 2 months. You don’t think that’s a lockdown? Did China have a lockdown last more than 2 months? I don’t think so. Shanghai was probably the longest and was roughly 2 months long (hard to tell because it started in suburbs only, unlike Singapore that was the whole city), or Wuhan itself in the beginning. So what are you talking about? Pretending that I’m making false statements. You invented this bullshit “extended lockdown” term then didn’t realise Singapore actually did do a longer lockdown than almost all Chinese cities. Good one. :D Taiwan locked down very early in all cases taking spread to zero and then blocked anyone entering the country. Similar to New Zealand. You don’t call that a lockdown? Show me where 6 billion doses of mRNA are being produced every 12 weeks? Then I’ll believe China could have procured them. Chinese are free to travel to hk. There are exceptions of course. But the majority can visit (assuming they had the means) - but that wouldn’t change the fact that HK only had a few million doses so couldn’t possibly help on the mRNA front
- ospider 4y ago
  You have no idea of how bad a Chinese lockdown can go. There are literraly two versions of lockdown in the world: the lockdown and the Chinese lockdown.
  - onethought 4y ago
    Does any one person know what multiple lockdowns are like? I think by definition we all only experienced 1... 2 if we were really (un)lucky. Was India's lack of lockdown, hospitals failing, people dying in the streets on mass "better" than a Chinese lockdown?

onethought 4y ago

That is still a lockdown. So the argument isn’t against Chinese doing lockdowns, it’s “how” they did them?

opinionsonly01 4y ago
You claimed they had extended lockdowns. That is not true. I said they had lockdowns, they did not have extended lockdowns. Please stop spreading misinformation. Edit: I also reframed for your last comment > China had the added complication of not having a vaccinated population. Partly due to them having too many people, partly due to their population being skeptical of "Western Medicine". But since you're defending it. People in China prefer paid western vaccines over free local ones. The CCP refused to allow western vaccines to be used in China for COVID.
- onethought 4y ago
  You are now entering a pretty minor argument of semantics. Extended lockdowns vs non-extended? Melbourne did lockdowns for effectively 4 months, longer than any single Chinese lockdown. So even on that point you are incorrect. This isn’t misinformation. It didn’t refuse vaccines, you can get them in HK, and Chinese are free to travel to HK (for a variety of reasons). There is not enough of them, that’s the problem.
  - opinionsonly01 4y ago
    > Melbourne did lockdowns for effectively 4 months You claimed Singapore and Taiwan has 'extended' lockdowns. I called you out. Now you're back peddling and trying to justify your statement with "but but but melbourne, you didn't mention melbourne and they had long lockdown!!!" > It didn’t refuse vaccines, you can get them in HK, and Chinese are free to travel to HK. It does refuse, and clearly you're not from China or you're just lying because China didn't recognize citizens who returned home with vaccines that were not Chinese. Not everyone is allowed to travel to HK. So your statement is completely false.
    - onethought 4y ago
      No, my original point included Melbourne as well. Singapore and Taiwan both did lockdowns as well. Not as long as China true, so your point really is the semantics of length? No, I'm not from China, but that has little to do with any point I've made. Vaccines were never an option for Chinese, they had a locally made one that didn't work well enough, and they could have never secured the number required of mRNA. If it refused them, then how did HK get them? Which statement that I've made is false?
      - opinionsonly01 4y ago
        They were an option. China refused to approve Pfizer despite having distribution rights in HK/Macau/China, and manufacturing facilities to produce it in China. Instead opting for local vaccines. You claim Singapore / Taiwan had extended lockdowns > This is false. You claim China could never secure mRNA vaccines > This is false. You claim Chinese are free to travel to HK (to get the vaccine) > This is false.
        onethought 4y ago
        Singapore locked down from early April to June… 2 months. You don’t think that’s a lockdown? Did China have a lockdown last more than 2 months? I don’t think so. Shanghai was probably the longest and was roughly 2 months long (hard to tell because it started in suburbs only, unlike Singapore that was the whole city), or Wuhan itself in the beginning. So what are you talking about? Pretending that I’m making false statements. You invented this bullshit “extended lockdown” term then didn’t realise Singapore actually did do a longer lockdown than almost all Chinese cities. Good one. :D Taiwan locked down very early in all cases taking spread to zero and then blocked anyone entering the country. Similar to New Zealand. You don’t call that a lockdown? Show me where 6 billion doses of mRNA are being produced every 12 weeks? Then I’ll believe China could have procured them. Chinese are free to travel to hk. There are exceptions of course. But the majority can visit (assuming they had the means) - but that wouldn’t change the fact that HK only had a few million doses so couldn’t possibly help on the mRNA front
ospider 4y ago
You have no idea of how bad a Chinese lockdown can go. There are literraly two versions of lockdown in the world: the lockdown and the Chinese lockdown.
- onethought 4y ago
  Does any one person know what multiple lockdowns are like? I think by definition we all only experienced 1... 2 if we were really (un)lucky. Was India's lack of lockdown, hospitals failing, people dying in the streets on mass "better" than a Chinese lockdown?