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Can you expand on this a bit? A search on the internet provides plenty of examples of this, even a search in the dictionary[1]. Along with movies[2], books[3],

Can you expand on this a bit? A search on the internet provides plenty of examples of this, even a search in the dictionary[1]. Along with movies[2], books[3], and typical news reporting hack/hacking/hackers has been used to indicate malicious intent. You can debate crackers vs. hackers and that its the intent that differentiates them but its a moot point based on that very thin veil of separation. Similar to the title security researcher or pentester you only can believe whats presented publicly by that person, group or organization and you can never validate that they haven't sold access or exploits to anyone else. I would say your generalized term would be better understood as a security audit, pentest or bug bounty which would appear to represent a non-malicious intent to gain "successful unauthorized computer system access" as defined by the contract. [1] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hack https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hack [2] https://cybersecurityventures.com/movies-about-cybersecurity-and-hacking/ https://cybersecurityventures.com/movies-about-cybersecurity... [3] https://www.amazon.com/Cuckoos-Egg-Tracking-Computer-Espionage/dp/1416507787 https://www.amazon.com/Cuckoos-Egg-Tracking-Computer-Espiona...

cowl 4y ago
https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3A+hacking https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3A+hacking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker "Reflecting the two types of hackers, there are two definitions of the word "hacker": 1. Originally, hacker simply meant advanced computer technology enthusiast (both hardware and software) and adherent of programming subculture; see hacker culture.[3] 2. Someone who is able to subvert computer security. If doing so for malicious purposes, the person can also be called a cracker.[4] Today, mainstream usage of "hacker" mostly refers to computer criminals, due to the mass media usage of the word since the 1990s." Fortunetly there is a trend to revert back to the non malicous meaning of the word. See you are commenting on a "Hacker" news site. See https://hackaday.com/ https://hackaday.com/ See even "DailyHacks" or "LifeHacks" in a social non technical setting, etc. Hacking is simply fiddling with a system and making it do something that it was not designed to do.
- ZeroSolstice 4y ago
  Yeah I understand the difference between the two which is why I mentioned them. Moving back to the non-malicious meaning seems like a moot point. The layperson doesn't care about the difference only the outcome. Which in most cases is they don't know you or have a business relationship with you and you are now accessing their system. If I was working within the pentester / security researcher space I would not be doing any work outside the bounds of an explicit contract/bug bounty program, etc as any access gained would be illegal access regardless of your "supposed" intentions. In my original comment I was looking for the OP to expand upon: "I have never in my life heard that hack comes with malicious intent" as that seemed odd given the books, movies and legal cases.

cowl 4y ago

https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3A+hacking https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3A+hacking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker "Reflecting the two types of hackers, there are two definitions of the word "hacker": 1. Originally, hacker simply meant advanced computer technology enthusiast (both hardware and software) and adherent of programming subculture; see hacker culture.[3] 2. Someone who is able to subvert computer security. If doing so for malicious purposes, the person can also be called a cracker.[4] Today, mainstream usage of "hacker" mostly refers to computer criminals, due to the mass media usage of the word since the 1990s." Fortunetly there is a trend to revert back to the non malicous meaning of the word. See you are commenting on a "Hacker" news site. See https://hackaday.com/ https://hackaday.com/ See even "DailyHacks" or "LifeHacks" in a social non technical setting, etc. Hacking is simply fiddling with a system and making it do something that it was not designed to do.

ZeroSolstice 4y ago
Yeah I understand the difference between the two which is why I mentioned them. Moving back to the non-malicious meaning seems like a moot point. The layperson doesn't care about the difference only the outcome. Which in most cases is they don't know you or have a business relationship with you and you are now accessing their system. If I was working within the pentester / security researcher space I would not be doing any work outside the bounds of an explicit contract/bug bounty program, etc as any access gained would be illegal access regardless of your "supposed" intentions. In my original comment I was looking for the OP to expand upon: "I have never in my life heard that hack comes with malicious intent" as that seemed odd given the books, movies and legal cases.