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> And before we go into “rights”, just because a country irresponsibly has a larger population, doesn’t mean that country has unilateral rights to destroy the

by judge2020 4y ago

> And before we go into “rights”, just because a country irresponsibly has a larger population, doesn’t mean that country has unilateral rights to destroy the oceans. It's not about "rights", it's about actually making things happen. Telling China to consume less fish with the justification "you do the most damage because you have more people" isn't going to cause them to actually regulate it or do anything to curve consumption. It's childish playground behavior, but if the children have nukes, you won't get them to do something they don't agree to.

toomuchtodo 4y ago
Right, you can’t negotiate with them. Agree to the terms or sink/confiscate their vessels. China has thousands of vessels currently extracting from the ocean globally; do we wait until they’ve exhausted global marine stocks? Doesn’t sound tenable. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-35815444 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-35815444 https://archive.is/ZKSJq https://archive.is/ZKSJq https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/11/30/china-beijing-fishing-africa-north-korea-south-china-sea/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/11/30/china-beijing-fishing-a... Edit: Force should be used against antagonistic nation states when required, otherwise words are meaningless.
- anonymouslambda 4y ago
  I volunteer you to go fight in a war after we sink/confiscate another country's vessels. EDIT: You've edited your response a bunch of times from "hell yeah, I'm ready to die in a war" to whatever it is now. So here you go Internet Tough Guy(tm). Have fun, I guess https://www.goarmy.com/how-to-join.html https://www.goarmy.com/how-to-join.html
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  - O__________O 4y ago
    Or, just teach fish how to sink ships and supplies to do so: https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_marine_mammal https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_marine_mammal
    - noduerme 4y ago
      What if the fish switch sides, though?
      - O__________O 4y ago
        To the side that kills fish? Even fish that eat fish still wanna be the ones doing the killing and eating. Am I missing something?
        noduerme 4y ago
        nono, I just meant to the side that doesn't work for humans, and works for fish. maybe just my abstract sense of humor.

toomuchtodo 4y ago

Right, you can’t negotiate with them. Agree to the terms or sink/confiscate their vessels. China has thousands of vessels currently extracting from the ocean globally; do we wait until they’ve exhausted global marine stocks? Doesn’t sound tenable. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-35815444 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-35815444 https://archive.is/ZKSJq https://archive.is/ZKSJq https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/11/30/china-beijing-fishing-africa-north-korea-south-china-sea/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/11/30/china-beijing-fishing-a... Edit: Force should be used against antagonistic nation states when required, otherwise words are meaningless.

anonymouslambda 4y ago
I volunteer you to go fight in a war after we sink/confiscate another country's vessels. EDIT: You've edited your response a bunch of times from "hell yeah, I'm ready to die in a war" to whatever it is now. So here you go Internet Tough Guy(tm). Have fun, I guess https://www.goarmy.com/how-to-join.html https://www.goarmy.com/how-to-join.html
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- O__________O 4y ago
  Or, just teach fish how to sink ships and supplies to do so: https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_marine_mammal https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_marine_mammal
  - noduerme 4y ago
    What if the fish switch sides, though?
    - O__________O 4y ago
      To the side that kills fish? Even fish that eat fish still wanna be the ones doing the killing and eating. Am I missing something?
      - noduerme 4y ago
        nono, I just meant to the side that doesn't work for humans, and works for fish. maybe just my abstract sense of humor.