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Problem is, this can’t scale. Private tuition, yeah, but there’s huge classes in college environments that would require gobs of proctors. Students wishing to

Problem is, this can’t scale. Private tuition, yeah, but there’s huge classes in college environments that would require gobs of proctors. Students wishing to learn will learn. Those wishing scores will get scores. The trick will be detecting the devalued grades.

flappyeagle 4y ago
WTF are they paying 50k/year in tuition for. Maybe put some of that towards proctors
bradleyjg 4y ago
Maybe employers will have to stop freeriding on the degree signal and instead put actual effort into hiring. That would not be a great tragedy in my opinion.
- nullc 4y ago
  > stop freeriding on the degree signal and instead put actual effort into hiring. 90% of why employers do that is that we functionally outlawed intelligence testing of job applicants, so they instead outsource it to an extremely expensive alternative.
  - bradleyjg 4y ago
    Functionally is doing all the work there and isn’t accurate. Do a study showing it’s related to job performance and you can go hog wild.
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    > 90% of why employers do that is that we functionally outlawed intelligence testing of job applicants No, we didn’t, in fact, the ruling that is misrepresented that way has exactly as much effect on degree requirements (insofar as degree rates are also racially disparate) without evidence of job performance need as it does for IQ tests. But, “IQ tests are functionally illegal and degree requirements with no evidentiary basis are fine” is management/HR cargo cult knowledge, which is the real issue.
  - alexthehurst 4y ago
    I dunno, I took an IQ test for a job application in 2016.
  - cidergal 4y ago
    How is it functionally outlawed? Most places do coding/system design/behavioral interviews to evaluate "merit"/intelligence/ability.
duxup 4y ago
Things gotta change sometimes. Can't pretend work and testing are all genuine and can't pretend we have a clue when it isn't. Maybe it doesn't scale with the current structure, but maybe that needs to change. Granted, I don't pretend that will be easy.
paulsutter 4y ago
It can scale if it’s a language model that does the testing That is, if testing people for these skills remains useful

flappyeagle 4y ago

WTF are they paying 50k/year in tuition for. Maybe put some of that towards proctors

bradleyjg 4y ago

Maybe employers will have to stop freeriding on the degree signal and instead put actual effort into hiring. That would not be a great tragedy in my opinion.

nullc 4y ago
> stop freeriding on the degree signal and instead put actual effort into hiring. 90% of why employers do that is that we functionally outlawed intelligence testing of job applicants, so they instead outsource it to an extremely expensive alternative.
- bradleyjg 4y ago
  Functionally is doing all the work there and isn’t accurate. Do a study showing it’s related to job performance and you can go hog wild.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > 90% of why employers do that is that we functionally outlawed intelligence testing of job applicants No, we didn’t, in fact, the ruling that is misrepresented that way has exactly as much effect on degree requirements (insofar as degree rates are also racially disparate) without evidence of job performance need as it does for IQ tests. But, “IQ tests are functionally illegal and degree requirements with no evidentiary basis are fine” is management/HR cargo cult knowledge, which is the real issue.
- alexthehurst 4y ago
  I dunno, I took an IQ test for a job application in 2016.
- cidergal 4y ago
  How is it functionally outlawed? Most places do coding/system design/behavioral interviews to evaluate "merit"/intelligence/ability.

duxup 4y ago

Things gotta change sometimes. Can't pretend work and testing are all genuine and can't pretend we have a clue when it isn't. Maybe it doesn't scale with the current structure, but maybe that needs to change. Granted, I don't pretend that will be easy.

paulsutter 4y ago

It can scale if it’s a language model that does the testing That is, if testing people for these skills remains useful