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Are the undesirable instances included in this? Edit: seems like they aren’t. So probably there are more users and the 10m have been passed long ago

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the_third_wave 4y ago
> the undesirable instances Which would that be? Undesirable by whom? Who gets to decide whether an instance is "undesirable"? I'd think that what is undesirable to one is the bee's knees to the other. Who is to be the arbiter of desirability? In a truly distributed system the answer would be 'nobody - everybody'. Are you talking about instances which are blocked in the source code of Mastodon? Blocked in some of the clients? In that case the answer is 'those who created those blocks'. Are they to be the arbiters then?
- not2b 4y ago
  There are some sites running forks of Mastodon code that intentionally don't federate with other sites. Trump's Truth Social is one. They don't count because they aren't part of the network.
- smsm42 4y ago
  > Which would that be? Probably those sites that "zero toxicity" people declared toxic and mandated to exclude from the fediverse where everyone is welcome. I remember this discussion a while ago and it was one of the main reasons I lost my interest in Mastoson (second being I see no reason to try to fit my thoughts into the format of one yell - I prefer more deliberate discourse) - it felt like they are too much concerned with exclusion rather than inclusion. There are tools to ensure you don't fail to block something that all right thinking people are blocking: https://github.com/Anthchirp/mastodon-defederate https://github.com/Anthchirp/mastodon-defederate
- numpad0 4y ago
  If GP meant 2nd and 3rd largest instances, Pawoo and mstdn.jp - those are on the https://instances.social/instances.json https://instances.social/instances.json that is supposed to be the data source, with 839k/338k users with 70M/65M statuses respectively. Along the mastodon.social with 1M users and 53M statuses, the top 3 account for 2.2M or 1/5th of claimed 10M users... But something seems off. "users" key on that .json only adds up to 7816421, not 10M. There has to be either a data error, or couple elephants in the room totaling at 2.2M, or the long tail that isn't loading for me.
  - zimpenfish 4y ago
    If you only include instances where up = true, it drops to 4.9M.
    - jeromegv 4y ago
      The up=true label isn't really working, some of those "down" instances are actually up right now.
- rsynnott 4y ago
  So there are two categories: Widely blocked instances: these are part of these stats. Instances which intentionally completely defederate (Gab and Truth Social, mostly): these are not.

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the_third_wave 4y ago

> the undesirable instances Which would that be? Undesirable by whom? Who gets to decide whether an instance is "undesirable"? I'd think that what is undesirable to one is the bee's knees to the other. Who is to be the arbiter of desirability? In a truly distributed system the answer would be 'nobody - everybody'. Are you talking about instances which are blocked in the source code of Mastodon? Blocked in some of the clients? In that case the answer is 'those who created those blocks'. Are they to be the arbiters then?

not2b 4y ago
There are some sites running forks of Mastodon code that intentionally don't federate with other sites. Trump's Truth Social is one. They don't count because they aren't part of the network.
smsm42 4y ago
> Which would that be? Probably those sites that "zero toxicity" people declared toxic and mandated to exclude from the fediverse where everyone is welcome. I remember this discussion a while ago and it was one of the main reasons I lost my interest in Mastoson (second being I see no reason to try to fit my thoughts into the format of one yell - I prefer more deliberate discourse) - it felt like they are too much concerned with exclusion rather than inclusion. There are tools to ensure you don't fail to block something that all right thinking people are blocking: https://github.com/Anthchirp/mastodon-defederate https://github.com/Anthchirp/mastodon-defederate
numpad0 4y ago
If GP meant 2nd and 3rd largest instances, Pawoo and mstdn.jp - those are on the https://instances.social/instances.json https://instances.social/instances.json that is supposed to be the data source, with 839k/338k users with 70M/65M statuses respectively. Along the mastodon.social with 1M users and 53M statuses, the top 3 account for 2.2M or 1/5th of claimed 10M users... But something seems off. "users" key on that .json only adds up to 7816421, not 10M. There has to be either a data error, or couple elephants in the room totaling at 2.2M, or the long tail that isn't loading for me.
- zimpenfish 4y ago
  If you only include instances where up = true, it drops to 4.9M.
  - jeromegv 4y ago
    The up=true label isn't really working, some of those "down" instances are actually up right now.
rsynnott 4y ago
So there are two categories: Widely blocked instances: these are part of these stats. Instances which intentionally completely defederate (Gab and Truth Social, mostly): these are not.