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There are a lot of articles about this. Anecdotally we all used it at my place of work, but once the novelty of it wore off, and it's usefulness sorely lacked,

by devjab 4y ago

There are a lot of articles about this. Anecdotally we all used it at my place of work, but once the novelty of it wore off, and it's usefulness sorely lacked, most people have gone back to google. Completely anecdotal as I mentioned, but it's been a long time since I couldn't use chatGPT because it was at capacity. Maybe they managed to increase their iron, maybe their API's lightened the load, but if this was really as revolutionizing as these articles want it to be, wouldn't the load on the services still be going up? I'm sure it'll get better, but I'm personally sort of unimpressed by it so far. It's very cool that it can pass interview questions and even university level exams, but that's not actually very useful and something you could already do (much slower) if you were really good on a search engine and had the time to do so. I mean, maybe I just really sucked at getting it to work, and there is the part where the free version is still only offering information that is older than 2021, but it really wasn't very useful for me, and not for a lack of trying. Because I really wanted it to do most of my work. Still do, by the way.

HervalFreire 4y ago
LLMs as they are now won't take over your job, but they are a herald for something in the future that could take your job. We aren't sure yet but the evidence is compelling enough that we need to consider the possibility. I mean yeah sure it's cool that something can do all your work for you but as your boss, I wouldn't need you then would I? I mean this aspect of economic impact must be considered along with the convenient fact that it makes your job easier. I also find it hard to see how you're unimpressed? I mean yeah it's not as "impressive" as a human but but it's certainly impressive in terms of progress and potential future progress given such results have never been seen before.
- devjab 4y ago
  > I mean yeah sure it's cool that something can do all your work for you but as your boss, I wouldn't need you then would I? I mean this aspect of economic impact must be considered along with the convenient fact that it makes your job easier. Digitalisation is basically replacing manual tasks, so I've frankly been doing it for a decade and a half. I wouldn't mind if the AI could help me write a lot of the boring code and I'm not worried about it replacing me, because even if it makes me more efficient, I've spent 7 years in the public sector seeing how little use "no-code" solutions have been to people who can't tell IT support if their phone runs android or ios. > I also find it hard to see how you're unimpressed? The first answer I got from ChatGPT worked, but it used a library that had been deprecated for at least 2 years. Which it then explained by it's data-cutoff point being in 2021. Since then we've put effort into getting it to do things for us, where it's ranged from "well this is a pretty outdated/less efficient way to do that" to "you're outright making stuff up, aren't you?". I should've screen grapped it, but at one point, trying to get it to do some asp.versioning, it told us to use a conveniently named method on an object. Only it turned out that the method had never existed in any versions of asp.versioning. Co-pilot has been even less of a success. I've also used it for fun. I've had some discussions about books that it obviously haven't read. It's very good at pretending that its answers are correct, but it'll absolutely make stuff up. Maybe that gets better as time goes by, but a lying AI is sort of useless. On the flip-side. I'm an external examiner for CS students, and I can get it to pass most programming questions students are given. Simply by entering the exam question into it... Typically it'll give a better answer than most students will, and it'll do it in like 1 minute on the free version. So it's obviously very good at churning out results for questions that have a gazillion answers on the internet and in a much more efficient way than any "old" search engine would. It's just that when it's tasked with doing something that hasn't been done a million times before, then it sort of falls flat. I still have high hopes, that AI's will help automate a lot of the things we write. We'e seen some use of them for automating documentation, which if they can also maintain it to keep it up-to-date would be a game changer, but on a whole, they are largely unimpressive to me personally. But I'm open to be impressed by the next versions.
twawaaay 4y ago
Most people who first used electricity thought it as fancy gas lights. And then, at the time computers started showing at home and then the Internet, most people didn't know what it is for. I think it is safe to say most people have absolutely no idea what this is going to bring or how revolutionary it is going to be. But I do think that most people will be worse after dust settles.
- thecrash 4y ago
  Most people who first used a Segway thought of it as a fancy scooter. Most people didn't know what it was for. They had absolutely no idea what it was going to bring or how revolutionary it was going to be. (nothing much, and not)
- devjab 4y ago
  > But I do think that most people will be worse after dust settles. There are two sides to this in my opinion. In Denmark we need nurses, teachers, pedagogues and "trades people"/"craftsmen" (I'm sorry but I'm unsure what the world for electricians/plumbers and so on is in English). If AI were to replace a lot of what is essentially looking up rules, copy pasting data from one system to another while auditing, and so on, then we'd actually be capable of building a better society than we have now. The other side is the distribution of wealth, which is going to be a political question. I'm not too worried about us here in Europe, but maybe that's naive. > Most people who first used electricity thought it as fancy gas lights. I've worked with digitalisation for one and a half decade. We even run our own language models for document recognition and classification so our employees don't have to read through 300-1000 page long contracts in different languages. I have a fair idea what AI is supposed to be, but I'm just not seeing it in the most recent hype wave. Maybe in the next one?
leke 4y ago
Someone made a comment about how people had to be sold on the usefulness of electricity when it became available. This could be the case here. I personally have been using it for how do I do this in X, and why is X producing Y error.

by devjab 4y ago

HervalFreire 4y ago

LLMs as they are now won't take over your job, but they are a herald for something in the future that could take your job. We aren't sure yet but the evidence is compelling enough that we need to consider the possibility. I mean yeah sure it's cool that something can do all your work for you but as your boss, I wouldn't need you then would I? I mean this aspect of economic impact must be considered along with the convenient fact that it makes your job easier. I also find it hard to see how you're unimpressed? I mean yeah it's not as "impressive" as a human but but it's certainly impressive in terms of progress and potential future progress given such results have never been seen before.

devjab 4y ago
> I mean yeah sure it's cool that something can do all your work for you but as your boss, I wouldn't need you then would I? I mean this aspect of economic impact must be considered along with the convenient fact that it makes your job easier. Digitalisation is basically replacing manual tasks, so I've frankly been doing it for a decade and a half. I wouldn't mind if the AI could help me write a lot of the boring code and I'm not worried about it replacing me, because even if it makes me more efficient, I've spent 7 years in the public sector seeing how little use "no-code" solutions have been to people who can't tell IT support if their phone runs android or ios. > I also find it hard to see how you're unimpressed? The first answer I got from ChatGPT worked, but it used a library that had been deprecated for at least 2 years. Which it then explained by it's data-cutoff point being in 2021. Since then we've put effort into getting it to do things for us, where it's ranged from "well this is a pretty outdated/less efficient way to do that" to "you're outright making stuff up, aren't you?". I should've screen grapped it, but at one point, trying to get it to do some asp.versioning, it told us to use a conveniently named method on an object. Only it turned out that the method had never existed in any versions of asp.versioning. Co-pilot has been even less of a success. I've also used it for fun. I've had some discussions about books that it obviously haven't read. It's very good at pretending that its answers are correct, but it'll absolutely make stuff up. Maybe that gets better as time goes by, but a lying AI is sort of useless. On the flip-side. I'm an external examiner for CS students, and I can get it to pass most programming questions students are given. Simply by entering the exam question into it... Typically it'll give a better answer than most students will, and it'll do it in like 1 minute on the free version. So it's obviously very good at churning out results for questions that have a gazillion answers on the internet and in a much more efficient way than any "old" search engine would. It's just that when it's tasked with doing something that hasn't been done a million times before, then it sort of falls flat. I still have high hopes, that AI's will help automate a lot of the things we write. We'e seen some use of them for automating documentation, which if they can also maintain it to keep it up-to-date would be a game changer, but on a whole, they are largely unimpressive to me personally. But I'm open to be impressed by the next versions.

twawaaay 4y ago

Most people who first used electricity thought it as fancy gas lights. And then, at the time computers started showing at home and then the Internet, most people didn't know what it is for. I think it is safe to say most people have absolutely no idea what this is going to bring or how revolutionary it is going to be. But I do think that most people will be worse after dust settles.

thecrash 4y ago
Most people who first used a Segway thought of it as a fancy scooter. Most people didn't know what it was for. They had absolutely no idea what it was going to bring or how revolutionary it was going to be. (nothing much, and not)
devjab 4y ago
> But I do think that most people will be worse after dust settles. There are two sides to this in my opinion. In Denmark we need nurses, teachers, pedagogues and "trades people"/"craftsmen" (I'm sorry but I'm unsure what the world for electricians/plumbers and so on is in English). If AI were to replace a lot of what is essentially looking up rules, copy pasting data from one system to another while auditing, and so on, then we'd actually be capable of building a better society than we have now. The other side is the distribution of wealth, which is going to be a political question. I'm not too worried about us here in Europe, but maybe that's naive. > Most people who first used electricity thought it as fancy gas lights. I've worked with digitalisation for one and a half decade. We even run our own language models for document recognition and classification so our employees don't have to read through 300-1000 page long contracts in different languages. I have a fair idea what AI is supposed to be, but I'm just not seeing it in the most recent hype wave. Maybe in the next one?

leke 4y ago

Someone made a comment about how people had to be sold on the usefulness of electricity when it became available. This could be the case here. I personally have been using it for how do I do this in X, and why is X producing Y error.