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We don’t need an international accord, we need the top 10 countries to stop pillaging the international waters for their consumption. The top 10, mostly Asian c
by darth_avocado 4y ago
We don’t need an international accord, we need the top 10 countries to stop pillaging the international waters for their consumption. The top 10, mostly Asian countries consume more seafood than the next 50. And these countries are also the ones that are most likely to fish in the most damaging way possible with no sustainability in mind.
- hristov 4y agoUhh that's why we need an international accord.
- PradeetPatel 4y agoThat, lets not underestimate the necessity for education and awareness. There is only one ocean on planet earth and we all need to do our part to protect its ecosystem.
- LeoPanthera 4y ago> We don’t need an international accord, we need the top 10 countries to stop pillaging the international waters for their consumption. What do you think an international accord is?
- lambdasquirrel 4y agoYeah all the countries with major fishing fleets need to agree. Otherwise you’re just outsourcing the fishing.
- sigzero 4y agoA quick look shows those (mostly Asian countries) are not part of the coalition.
- O__________O 4y ago>> mostly Asian countries consume more seafood than the next 50. This is false. Per capita, aside from Africa and South America, who both eat roughly half the fish per person as the rest, majority of world per person eats same amount of fish. Sure, Asian has more people, but do you really think telling the majority of people they need to eat less fish while everyone else is not told that is going to go over well? Source: - https://goodseedventures.com/worldwide-food-consumption-per-capita-2/ https://goodseedventures.com/worldwide-food-consumption-per-...
- irrational 4y agoI'm already doing my part by not eating any kind of seafood.
- darth_avocado 4y agoThe ocean doesn’t care about per capita. If a billion people eat 50 pounds of fish annually, you still remove 50 billion pounds of fish. A country with a 1 million population eating 100 pounds of fish will still be doing less harm. And before we go into “rights”, just because a country irresponsibly has a larger population, doesn’t mean that country has unilateral rights to destroy the oceans. Besides the claim Asian countries not eating as much seafood is false. Per capita, China, South Korea, Japan are easily the top consumers, if you exclude small island nations and low population countries. [1] Vietnam and Myanmar would also be in the list, but their consumption is based more on fresh water fisheries and not ocean based. [1] https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/fish-and-seafood-consumption-per-capita?tab=table https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/fish-and-seafood-consumpt...
- judge2020 4y ago> And before we go into “rights”, just because a country irresponsibly has a larger population, doesn’t mean that country has unilateral rights to destroy the oceans. It's not about "rights", it's about actually making things happen. Telling China to consume less fish with the justification "you do the most damage because you have more people" isn't going to cause them to actually regulate it or do anything to curve consumption. It's childish playground behavior, but if the children have nukes, you won't get them to do something they don't agree to.
- toomuchtodo 4y agoRight, you can’t negotiate with them. Agree to the terms or sink/confiscate their vessels. China has thousands of vessels currently extracting from the ocean globally; do we wait until they’ve exhausted global marine stocks? Doesn’t sound tenable. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-35815444 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-35815444 https://archive.is/ZKSJq https://archive.is/ZKSJq https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/11/30/china-beijing-fishing-africa-north-korea-south-china-sea/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/11/30/china-beijing-fishing-a... Edit: Force should be used against antagonistic nation states when required, otherwise words are meaningless.
- indymike 4y ago> We don’t need an international accord, we need the top 10 countries to stop pillaging the international waters for their consumption. At this point, we should be sustainably farming seafood instead of pillaging nature.
- gre 4y agoSeafood farms are not necessarily the answer either. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/2021/feb/11/global-salmon-farming-harming-marine-life-and-costing-billions-in-damage https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment...
- Godel_unicode 4y agoThat’s why the word sustainable in GPs post is important. There are several suggestions in that article for how to handle the problems caused by poor practices.
- phantomathkg 4y agoDo you have data to back this up, or is it your hypothesis?
- O__________O 4y agoNo, though I posted data that shows their claim is at best misleading and not viable: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35225376 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35225376
- darth_avocado 4y agoI would say your claim and data is what you are accusing of. The real answer is that data shows that even per capita, if you exclude small island nations and low population Nordic countries, per capita consumption is easily the highest in Asia. If you account for total population, which again is highest in Asia, the total consumption of these countries is the highest. Source: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/fish-and-seafood-consumption-per-capita?tab=table https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/fish-and-seafood-consumpt...
- pokepim 4y ago[dead]