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> You may want to expand the timeline: They were asked to disperse, they did not. They became an illegal occupation, and still didn't leave when told. Only afte

> You may want to expand the timeline: They were asked to disperse, they did not. They became an illegal occupation, and still didn't leave when told. Only after they occupied Ottawa for days/weeks, disrupting the lives of residents, was the Emergencies Act invoked and all the above actions taken. I mean that's the kind of thing that left wing protestors do all the time. You have things like the 40 hour workweek due to protestors doing illegal things like that, and often getting flat-out murdered back in the day. > They were protesting public health measure that were needed to protect the public (quarantines, vaccines). > Probably worth noting that the folks in the convoy didn't have broad support in their industry You have to be very careful with these kinds of arguments because you'll find that tactics which get used against people you don't like may get immediately flipped around and used against people you do like, or even yourself. That's the whole problem with all the PATRIOT Act nonsense in the US. Once you give authorities the license to use tactics against one group that everyone clearly agrees deserves it, they never stop there. Some problem with the death penalty and whoever your favorite serial killer is who clearly deserves death. Once the state can put people to death they start looking for more and more people to kill.

throw0101b 4y ago
> You have things like the 40 hour workweek due to protestors doing illegal things like that, and often getting flat-out murdered back in the day. Yes, and they kept at it until they won because they believed in their cause and were able to gain more and more public support. >> Probably worth noting that the folks in the convoy didn't have broad support in their industry > You have to be very careful with these kinds of arguments because you'll find that tactics which get used against people you don't like may get immediately flipped around and used against people you do like, or even yourself. It is the job of a movement to convince others that their goals are noble and that others should support them. If the Convoy Truckers failed to convince that others in their industry (and the broader public) to support them, (a) they're bad at communicating, or (b) folks concluded they're a bunch of anti-vaxxer cranks and didn't want anything to do with them, (c) …?.
- junofan 4y ago
  I mean the truckers got what they wanted in the end, so I’m not sure what you’re saying. And I’m not sure the state and media should be crushing protests.
  - throw0101b 4y ago
    > I mean the truckers got what they wanted in the end, so I’m not sure what you’re saying. Being arrested/charged and the seizure of their assets is what they wanted? The public health mandates that the truckers were protesting is what helped reduce COVID's effects and allowed for the reduction of the various health measures. Vaccine mandates did not end because of what the Convoy Truckers did, but despite what they did. The Convoy Truckers were working against their own interests (as the rest of the trucking industry realized).
    - theironhammer 4y ago
      Masks don't work and the only people who needed to be vaccinated were older folks and people with underlying health issues. The vaccines themselves were not benign. The whole COVID pandemic was poorly handled. Lockdowns destroyed businesses and workers livelihoods alike. Unless you were an office worker who could remote, COVID was an absolute disaster.

throw0101b 4y ago

> You have things like the 40 hour workweek due to protestors doing illegal things like that, and often getting flat-out murdered back in the day. Yes, and they kept at it until they won because they believed in their cause and were able to gain more and more public support. >> Probably worth noting that the folks in the convoy didn't have broad support in their industry > You have to be very careful with these kinds of arguments because you'll find that tactics which get used against people you don't like may get immediately flipped around and used against people you do like, or even yourself. It is the job of a movement to convince others that their goals are noble and that others should support them. If the Convoy Truckers failed to convince that others in their industry (and the broader public) to support them, (a) they're bad at communicating, or (b) folks concluded they're a bunch of anti-vaxxer cranks and didn't want anything to do with them, (c) …?.

junofan 4y ago
I mean the truckers got what they wanted in the end, so I’m not sure what you’re saying. And I’m not sure the state and media should be crushing protests.
- throw0101b 4y ago
  > I mean the truckers got what they wanted in the end, so I’m not sure what you’re saying. Being arrested/charged and the seizure of their assets is what they wanted? The public health mandates that the truckers were protesting is what helped reduce COVID's effects and allowed for the reduction of the various health measures. Vaccine mandates did not end because of what the Convoy Truckers did, but despite what they did. The Convoy Truckers were working against their own interests (as the rest of the trucking industry realized).
  - theironhammer 4y ago
    Masks don't work and the only people who needed to be vaccinated were older folks and people with underlying health issues. The vaccines themselves were not benign. The whole COVID pandemic was poorly handled. Lockdowns destroyed businesses and workers livelihoods alike. Unless you were an office worker who could remote, COVID was an absolute disaster.