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> And their have been hostilities between the two since 2014 when the US formented a revolution there. This is just another conspiracy theory. In 2014, a pro-R

by mopsi 4y ago

> And their have been hostilities between the two since 2014 when the US formented a revolution there. This is just another conspiracy theory. In 2014, a pro-Russian president of Ukraine backed down from a very favourable trade deal with the EU at the last minute due to Russian pressure, people came to streets to protest, he ordered snipers to shoot unarmed protestors, after which the unrest only grew, he fled the country in panic and Russia used the unrest as a cover to invade Ukraine.

starkd 4y ago
The manipulations within the state dept. by Victoria Nuland are well known. She was literally caught on the phone planning who was going to be pushed as the next leader. By labelling it a conspiracy, you are simply trying to disparage a very valid possibility. Conspiracies are nothing more than multiple people collaborating to make something happen. It does happen, and they should not be dismissed out of hand.
- SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago
  > by Victoria Nuland ... literally caught on the phone planning This false conspiracy theory is discussed at length here https://www.thebulwark.com/what-really-happened-in-ukraine-in-2014-and-since-then/ https://www.thebulwark.com/what-really-happened-in-ukraine-i...
bakuninsbart 4y ago
The Association Agreement also included sections on political and security cooperation. More importantly, Ukraine was pretty evenly split on Maidan and the signing of the Association Agreement. [0] This split, also seen in elections was largely geographic. [1] Unsurprisingly, toppling the (democratically elected) president tore the country apart, and independent on which government you personally prefer, I think it is really hard to argue that Ukraine wasn't the victim of Big Power politics in this case. [0] https://archive.kyivpost.com/article/content/ukraine-politics/more-ukrainians-disapprove-of-euromaidan-protests-than-approve-of-it-poll-336461.html https://archive.kyivpost.com/article/content/ukraine-politic... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Ukrainian_parliamentary_election#/media/File:2012_Ukrainian_parliamentary_election_-_List_results.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Ukrainian_parliamentary_e...

by mopsi 4y ago

starkd 4y ago

The manipulations within the state dept. by Victoria Nuland are well known. She was literally caught on the phone planning who was going to be pushed as the next leader. By labelling it a conspiracy, you are simply trying to disparage a very valid possibility. Conspiracies are nothing more than multiple people collaborating to make something happen. It does happen, and they should not be dismissed out of hand.

SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago
> by Victoria Nuland ... literally caught on the phone planning This false conspiracy theory is discussed at length here https://www.thebulwark.com/what-really-happened-in-ukraine-in-2014-and-since-then/ https://www.thebulwark.com/what-really-happened-in-ukraine-i...

bakuninsbart 4y ago

The Association Agreement also included sections on political and security cooperation. More importantly, Ukraine was pretty evenly split on Maidan and the signing of the Association Agreement. [0] This split, also seen in elections was largely geographic. [1] Unsurprisingly, toppling the (democratically elected) president tore the country apart, and independent on which government you personally prefer, I think it is really hard to argue that Ukraine wasn't the victim of Big Power politics in this case. [0] https://archive.kyivpost.com/article/content/ukraine-politics/more-ukrainians-disapprove-of-euromaidan-protests-than-approve-of-it-poll-336461.html https://archive.kyivpost.com/article/content/ukraine-politic... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Ukrainian_parliamentary_election#/media/File:2012_Ukrainian_parliamentary_election_-_List_results.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Ukrainian_parliamentary_e...