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I... what? Around me, questioning the war gets you labelled as Putin critic, not an apologist. He literally started the war.

yucky 4y ago
> He literally started the war. When do you think the war started?
- caskstrength 4y ago
  > When do you think the war started? When do _you_ think the war started? Annexation of Crimea was ordered by Putin.
  - yucky 4y ago
    Do you remember what happened right before he annexed Crimea?
    - caskstrength 4y ago
      No. What? Ukrainian nazis invaded Belgorod or something?
      - SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago
        He's going to launch into his rote "Euromaidan was a coup" BS talking point. Again (1). Sorry, some trolls are just boring and predictable. 1) The last (but not only) time was here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34977835 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34977835 While it is amusing to read the rhetorical beating that they took repeatedly in response, this does not stop them from trying it another time. If they're not well paid, then someone is getting value for money.
      - yucky 4y ago
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        caskstrength 4y ago
        The revolution was not "on their border", it was in another independent country. Trying to deny Ukranian agency and sovereignty is usual Russian propaganda talking point. You are basically saying "Those pesky Ukrainians started a revolution without asking glorious Russian president Putin first while also being at Russian border! That was definitively an act of war!" which is laughable. And just for you to note - I have been living all my life in walking distance from Independence square, so I don't need smug Fox news fans to lecture me on internet about "coups" and Nuland "distributing billions, weapons and oranges infused with battle drugs to Ukrainian nazis on Maidan!!1".
        yucky 4y ago
        I never said the "totally not a coup revolution" was an act of war, I said of course Russia would respond to it just like we would if the same thing happened in Mexico since it would go against our national interest. We almost went to war with the Soviets just for getting too close to us in Cuba and still sanction Cuba to this day because of it. Large powers take great interest in their enemies being on their border - more news at 11. Meanwhile, it is interesting that you don't support the Crimeans voting to be part of Russia in 2014, but fully support the overthrowing of the democratically elected government in 2014. Is that logically consistent in your mind?
        caskstrength 4y ago
        > I never said the "totally not a coup revolution" was an act of war So what did you imply by (snarky) question "When do you think the war started?" followed by "Do you remember what happened right before he annexed Crimea?"? It seems we are in agreement that first act of war was occupation and annexation of Crimea? Also, why are people like you are so hung up on this "coup vs revolution" thing? What exactly are you trying to achieve by playing with words here? BTW you might want to consider listening to observers and insiders who actually experienced events directly. Like, you have actual Ukranian who was living nearby to Independence square during both 2004 and 2014 events and yet instead of changing your opinions based on my input you double down on lecturing _me_ about events I have first hand experience with. This makes you look like either a shill or just a person with poorly developed critical thinking.
    - dragonwriter 4y ago
      The invasion of Crimea and Eastern Ukraine by Russian “little green men”?

yucky 4y ago

> He literally started the war. When do you think the war started?

caskstrength 4y ago
> When do you think the war started? When do _you_ think the war started? Annexation of Crimea was ordered by Putin.
- yucky 4y ago
  Do you remember what happened right before he annexed Crimea?
  - caskstrength 4y ago
    No. What? Ukrainian nazis invaded Belgorod or something?
    - SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago
      He's going to launch into his rote "Euromaidan was a coup" BS talking point. Again (1). Sorry, some trolls are just boring and predictable. 1) The last (but not only) time was here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34977835 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34977835 While it is amusing to read the rhetorical beating that they took repeatedly in response, this does not stop them from trying it another time. If they're not well paid, then someone is getting value for money.
    - yucky 4y ago
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      - caskstrength 4y ago
        The revolution was not "on their border", it was in another independent country. Trying to deny Ukranian agency and sovereignty is usual Russian propaganda talking point. You are basically saying "Those pesky Ukrainians started a revolution without asking glorious Russian president Putin first while also being at Russian border! That was definitively an act of war!" which is laughable. And just for you to note - I have been living all my life in walking distance from Independence square, so I don't need smug Fox news fans to lecture me on internet about "coups" and Nuland "distributing billions, weapons and oranges infused with battle drugs to Ukrainian nazis on Maidan!!1".
        yucky 4y ago
        I never said the "totally not a coup revolution" was an act of war, I said of course Russia would respond to it just like we would if the same thing happened in Mexico since it would go against our national interest. We almost went to war with the Soviets just for getting too close to us in Cuba and still sanction Cuba to this day because of it. Large powers take great interest in their enemies being on their border - more news at 11. Meanwhile, it is interesting that you don't support the Crimeans voting to be part of Russia in 2014, but fully support the overthrowing of the democratically elected government in 2014. Is that logically consistent in your mind?
        caskstrength 4y ago
        > I never said the "totally not a coup revolution" was an act of war So what did you imply by (snarky) question "When do you think the war started?" followed by "Do you remember what happened right before he annexed Crimea?"? It seems we are in agreement that first act of war was occupation and annexation of Crimea? Also, why are people like you are so hung up on this "coup vs revolution" thing? What exactly are you trying to achieve by playing with words here? BTW you might want to consider listening to observers and insiders who actually experienced events directly. Like, you have actual Ukranian who was living nearby to Independence square during both 2004 and 2014 events and yet instead of changing your opinions based on my input you double down on lecturing _me_ about events I have first hand experience with. This makes you look like either a shill or just a person with poorly developed critical thinking.
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    The invasion of Crimea and Eastern Ukraine by Russian “little green men”?