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> If you wish your movement to succeed you have to broaden your support to the wider population, so you have to be mindful of how your actions are perceived Me

> If you wish your movement to succeed you have to broaden your support to the wider population, so you have to be mindful of how your actions are perceived Media and governments today control how protests are perceived. That is the issue. The division over this exists within the media. Same for the US, whether it was BLM, lockdowns, elections etc. The protestors don't get to decide how it will be perceived. The major established media narratives will control that perception.

throw0101b 4y ago
> Media and governments today control how protests are perceived. That is the issue. So does social media and the messaging you put out on your accounts. Hint: if you want broad(er) societal support, don't (e.g.) fly Confederate flags (which tend to be associated with the KKK and racists), which will show up in the messaging you own and what is also broadcast on television. A news story by CTV on just such an occurrence, interviewing the dude: * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQdBNPXMiC4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQdBNPXMiC4 It's also why you need outreach: if all you're doing is talking in your own little echo chamber, the broader public may not get your side of the story (or a distorted version). The various protests in 2020 had a similar issue: 97% of them were peaceful, but some riots did occur, and that got some press and altered (some) people's perceptions of events. Really recommend Chenoweth's book where this is discussed (specifically about "fringe violence" when the overall movement is non-violent.)
- 13years 4y ago
  I don't know if that was meant to be a counter. That is precisely making my exact point.
  - throw0101b 4y ago
    The truckers involved were portrayed by the media as anti-vaxxers, with underlying associations of racism. If they are not unscientific anti-vaxxers, they failed to communicate that. If they don't have associations with racists, they failed to communicate that. If they felt that illegally occupying a major urban centre—making the life of residents hell—was a good thing, they have failed to communicate that. Basically the truckers involved failed to usefully communicate to the broader society why anyone should support them (assuming they're not just racist anti-vaxxers). And when the Emergencies Act was invoked, who would object to it being used against anti-vaxxer racists that were illegally occupying the city of Ottawa?
    - 13years 4y ago
      If they don't have associations with racists, they failed to communicate that Since when does any protest, movement, etc, need to begin by proving a negative. This is an expectation only setup through propaganda. Any movement can be destroyed under this context whether legitimate or not as we would never know. And when the Emergencies Act was invoked, who would object to it being used against anti-vaxxer racists that were illegally occupying the city of Ottawa? Again, perfectly making my point. The framing of the narrative.
      - throw0101b 4y ago
        > Since when does any protest, movement, etc, need to begin by proving a negative. To start, when they fly Confederate flags. If you do that you have to show that you're not a racist (see previous link to CTV news story). > Any movement can be destroyed under this context whether legitimate or not as we would never know. Yes, as discussed in Chenoweth. Which is why community/societal outreach is important with any movement that wants to effect change. > The framing of the narrative. Which the Convoy Truckers failed to do in their communications. The onus is on the movement itself to properly communicate their desires and the goodness of their causes to the larger community. This communication is done not only via words and communiqués, but also by actions.

throw0101b 4y ago

> Media and governments today control how protests are perceived. That is the issue. So does social media and the messaging you put out on your accounts. Hint: if you want broad(er) societal support, don't (e.g.) fly Confederate flags (which tend to be associated with the KKK and racists), which will show up in the messaging you own and what is also broadcast on television. A news story by CTV on just such an occurrence, interviewing the dude: * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQdBNPXMiC4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQdBNPXMiC4 It's also why you need outreach: if all you're doing is talking in your own little echo chamber, the broader public may not get your side of the story (or a distorted version). The various protests in 2020 had a similar issue: 97% of them were peaceful, but some riots did occur, and that got some press and altered (some) people's perceptions of events. Really recommend Chenoweth's book where this is discussed (specifically about "fringe violence" when the overall movement is non-violent.)

13years 4y ago
I don't know if that was meant to be a counter. That is precisely making my exact point.
- throw0101b 4y ago
  The truckers involved were portrayed by the media as anti-vaxxers, with underlying associations of racism. If they are not unscientific anti-vaxxers, they failed to communicate that. If they don't have associations with racists, they failed to communicate that. If they felt that illegally occupying a major urban centre—making the life of residents hell—was a good thing, they have failed to communicate that. Basically the truckers involved failed to usefully communicate to the broader society why anyone should support them (assuming they're not just racist anti-vaxxers). And when the Emergencies Act was invoked, who would object to it being used against anti-vaxxer racists that were illegally occupying the city of Ottawa?
  - 13years 4y ago
    If they don't have associations with racists, they failed to communicate that Since when does any protest, movement, etc, need to begin by proving a negative. This is an expectation only setup through propaganda. Any movement can be destroyed under this context whether legitimate or not as we would never know. And when the Emergencies Act was invoked, who would object to it being used against anti-vaxxer racists that were illegally occupying the city of Ottawa? Again, perfectly making my point. The framing of the narrative.
    - throw0101b 4y ago
      > Since when does any protest, movement, etc, need to begin by proving a negative. To start, when they fly Confederate flags. If you do that you have to show that you're not a racist (see previous link to CTV news story). > Any movement can be destroyed under this context whether legitimate or not as we would never know. Yes, as discussed in Chenoweth. Which is why community/societal outreach is important with any movement that wants to effect change. > The framing of the narrative. Which the Convoy Truckers failed to do in their communications. The onus is on the movement itself to properly communicate their desires and the goodness of their causes to the larger community. This communication is done not only via words and communiqués, but also by actions.