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> For most of my life I've adhered to this idea - however I've come to believe, against my own protests, that the universe does, in fact, embed something like a

> For most of my life I've adhered to this idea - however I've come to believe, against my own protests, that the universe does, in fact, embed something like a moral code So what if it does? > So, I don't think the universe has anything to say about [..] personal sexual proclivities Wow - who on earth would have believed that your pre-supposed moral sensibilities would both be completely correct and even coded into the fabric of the universe itself. If the universe does in fact have a moral code as you suggest, there is every reason to think it might speak against anti-social behaviours and codes of sexual ethics that inhibit family formation and reproduction.

javajosh 4y ago
I feel like if you were on the ISS and the crew stopped to admire a particularly beautiful view of Earth, you'd be the one to start complaining about...something. Whether or not your complaint is legitimate, the fact that you'd pick this moment, this thread, to complain about your favorite little topic, means you've missed the point entirely. (This is the most common failure mode among humans, so you're in good company).
- realjhol 4y ago
  I'm not advancing a view about sexual ethics, I'm just amused that you believe that your own pre-conceived notions about sexual ethics must agree with a universal moral order which is also a fact of nature. How convenient. > I feel like if you were on the ISS and the crew stopped to admire a particularly beautiful view of Earth, you'd be the one to start complaining about...something Again this is just your prejudice. You dont know anything about me.
  - Brian_K_White 4y ago
    You take a statement about a total absence of notions, concieved at any time, and call it preconcieved notions and prejudice. I call projection.
    - realjhol 4y ago
      That's the thing though, it's not absence at all. He's alluding to consent-based morality - a moral system that is both disastrous and unlivable in practice. You can't have an absence of notions when it comes to morality. At some point each person acts in the real world, and all actions are knowingly or unknowingly directed by a moral framework

javajosh 4y ago

I feel like if you were on the ISS and the crew stopped to admire a particularly beautiful view of Earth, you'd be the one to start complaining about...something. Whether or not your complaint is legitimate, the fact that you'd pick this moment, this thread, to complain about your favorite little topic, means you've missed the point entirely. (This is the most common failure mode among humans, so you're in good company).

realjhol 4y ago
I'm not advancing a view about sexual ethics, I'm just amused that you believe that your own pre-conceived notions about sexual ethics must agree with a universal moral order which is also a fact of nature. How convenient. > I feel like if you were on the ISS and the crew stopped to admire a particularly beautiful view of Earth, you'd be the one to start complaining about...something Again this is just your prejudice. You dont know anything about me.
- Brian_K_White 4y ago
  You take a statement about a total absence of notions, concieved at any time, and call it preconcieved notions and prejudice. I call projection.
  - realjhol 4y ago
    That's the thing though, it's not absence at all. He's alluding to consent-based morality - a moral system that is both disastrous and unlivable in practice. You can't have an absence of notions when it comes to morality. At some point each person acts in the real world, and all actions are knowingly or unknowingly directed by a moral framework