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And? For desktop use it doesn't matter. If you're not paging out of ram you will never ever notice. I'm not sitting here running disk benchmarks all day... I

And? For desktop use it doesn't matter. If you're not paging out of ram you will never ever notice. I'm not sitting here running disk benchmarks all day... I'm browsing some web pages and using a text editor.

NoZebra120vClip 4y ago
Hope you never want to do updates or reconfigure any packages or change up any docker containers, etc.
- qbasic_forever 4y ago
  It doesn't matter. I'm not losing sleep over an apt upgrade taking maybe 10 more seconds. I'd much rather live with that and have a little desktop that barely sips 5 watts of power total.
  - NoZebra120vClip 4y ago
    10 seconds? Heh. I measured apt upgrades in multiple minutes on the Pi 3B. And forget about doing anything else; the system would hang hard until I/O was cleared. By contrast, upgrading my desktop tower from HDD to SSD was an incredible, dramatic speedup in terms of booting and especially apt upgrades. The latter became nearly instantaneous. Blink and you miss them. Now, on the Pi I use only the heavy-duty brand-name sdcards. I have found that the weak ones tend to suffer badly from ESD. I am not sure how much lower performance is from the heavy-duty cards, but I doubt it is much slower than the fragile ones.
    - hammyhavoc 4y ago
      What relevance is the Pi 3B in 2023? This is like invoking a 2016 Android phone against the latest Pixel.
      - NoZebra120vClip 4y ago
        I don't know; has the sdcard storage interface, the driver, or sdcards themselves, been revolutionised in the past 7 years?
mathisfun123 4y ago
> If you're not paging out of ram you will never ever notice. What you say is true but you didn't respond to someone complaining about ram latencies, you responded to someone lamenting poor disk access perf. And you recommended booting off SSD which is demonstrably specious advice.
- qbasic_forever 4y ago
  Again I will tell you--it doesn't matter to me and I suspect 99% of users. Unless you are like a Linus tech tips fanatic and eeking out every percent of performance for your Good Gaming Rig then it's fine. Yes the storage performance isn't perfect. It's fine.
  - mathisfun123 4y ago
    Why did you recommend SSD at all if it doesn't make a difference?
    - qbasic_forever 4y ago
      Because not all SD cards are the same and I have more large SSD drives sitting around than SD cards. Why do you think results for one SD card map to all of them? Again, it doesn't matter. Real people in the real world aren't performance tweakers. Oh no! Someone on the internet suggested someone do something that isn't optimal to performance! Wow better go on a multi reply freak out about it!
  - hellcow 4y ago
    I couldn’t stream YouTube videos on 1080p without terrible stutters when I tried the Pi4 a few years ago. Has that been fixed?
    - Shared404 4y ago
      I believe that there is hardware accelerated video now, though I haven't had hands on a Pi4 to test.

NoZebra120vClip 4y ago

Hope you never want to do updates or reconfigure any packages or change up any docker containers, etc.

qbasic_forever 4y ago
It doesn't matter. I'm not losing sleep over an apt upgrade taking maybe 10 more seconds. I'd much rather live with that and have a little desktop that barely sips 5 watts of power total.
- NoZebra120vClip 4y ago
  10 seconds? Heh. I measured apt upgrades in multiple minutes on the Pi 3B. And forget about doing anything else; the system would hang hard until I/O was cleared. By contrast, upgrading my desktop tower from HDD to SSD was an incredible, dramatic speedup in terms of booting and especially apt upgrades. The latter became nearly instantaneous. Blink and you miss them. Now, on the Pi I use only the heavy-duty brand-name sdcards. I have found that the weak ones tend to suffer badly from ESD. I am not sure how much lower performance is from the heavy-duty cards, but I doubt it is much slower than the fragile ones.
  - hammyhavoc 4y ago
    What relevance is the Pi 3B in 2023? This is like invoking a 2016 Android phone against the latest Pixel.
    - NoZebra120vClip 4y ago
      I don't know; has the sdcard storage interface, the driver, or sdcards themselves, been revolutionised in the past 7 years?

mathisfun123 4y ago

> If you're not paging out of ram you will never ever notice. What you say is true but you didn't respond to someone complaining about ram latencies, you responded to someone lamenting poor disk access perf. And you recommended booting off SSD which is demonstrably specious advice.

qbasic_forever 4y ago
Again I will tell you--it doesn't matter to me and I suspect 99% of users. Unless you are like a Linus tech tips fanatic and eeking out every percent of performance for your Good Gaming Rig then it's fine. Yes the storage performance isn't perfect. It's fine.
- mathisfun123 4y ago
  Why did you recommend SSD at all if it doesn't make a difference?
  - qbasic_forever 4y ago
    Because not all SD cards are the same and I have more large SSD drives sitting around than SD cards. Why do you think results for one SD card map to all of them? Again, it doesn't matter. Real people in the real world aren't performance tweakers. Oh no! Someone on the internet suggested someone do something that isn't optimal to performance! Wow better go on a multi reply freak out about it!
- hellcow 4y ago
  I couldn’t stream YouTube videos on 1080p without terrible stutters when I tried the Pi4 a few years ago. Has that been fixed?
  - Shared404 4y ago
    I believe that there is hardware accelerated video now, though I haven't had hands on a Pi4 to test.