4 ms·

Instead of writing "All of those are about ... I don't know about "The Jeffersons .." you might say "Of the $N I know about ...". That might be less confrontat

Instead of writing "All of those are about ... I don't know about "The Jeffersons .." you might say "Of the $N I know about ...". That might be less confrontational by better expressing the limits of your knowledge. Why do you say the parent poster is right? I disagree with validity of your distinctive qualifiers. In https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35212323 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35212323 I listed four other shows, all with families with teenaged children, and all taking place in apartment buildings. Including one in public housing. But the number of other shows I listed strongly suggest that apartments are NOT associated with low-income ghettos, at least in TV depictions. Also, "The Odd Couple", two divorced men share an apartment. In the show they were adults in the 1930s, so matching the actors' ages of around 50. They have an 11-year-old neighbor, Philip.

necovek 4y ago
Let's put it this way: I am not out to prove you wrong, and I am not out to prove my point either. Perhaps I'd get support for my point by looking at the popularity of the shows in question, seeing how many viewers tuned in into each of those. But it doesn't matter much (and I would be "moving the goalposts"), since the discussion was what is a preferential middle/higher income family dwelling type. My general point is that the OP had a different viewpoint in which it's not unusual to consider TV shows as preferring one lifestyle for middle class families (a house with a backyard), while your point that apartment-dwelling does not indicate poor tenants in TV shows is similarly true. Nobody is saying 100%, even if we are talking without qualifiers like "most", "majority", "most influential" and such. As a human talking to another human, if I say "ice cream is great", I hope I don't have to say how "I personally love most ice cream flavours I've tried even if I hate or dislike some of them, and there are many I haven't tried either" instead, so we wouldn't get into an argument how I wasn't really precise. And it's ok to disagree too, which is where we are at it seems.
- eesmith 4y ago
  Under your ice cream analogy: "Ice cream is associated with nuts." "Here's a list of ice cream flavors which do no contain nuts." "You're both right because all of these those ice cream flavors contain either nuts or chocolate." "These four flavors from the list contain neither nuts nor chocolate. And here are five more flavors that contain neither nuts nor chocolate .. and I know that ice cream with nuts exist because here's one with nuts." Ice cream is significantly more associated with chocolate than with nuts. Apartment living is significantly more associated with city living than with living in "the ghetto." Our most recent (and rich) ex-president raised his kids in an apartment in the city.

necovek 4y ago

Let's put it this way: I am not out to prove you wrong, and I am not out to prove my point either. Perhaps I'd get support for my point by looking at the popularity of the shows in question, seeing how many viewers tuned in into each of those. But it doesn't matter much (and I would be "moving the goalposts"), since the discussion was what is a preferential middle/higher income family dwelling type. My general point is that the OP had a different viewpoint in which it's not unusual to consider TV shows as preferring one lifestyle for middle class families (a house with a backyard), while your point that apartment-dwelling does not indicate poor tenants in TV shows is similarly true. Nobody is saying 100%, even if we are talking without qualifiers like "most", "majority", "most influential" and such. As a human talking to another human, if I say "ice cream is great", I hope I don't have to say how "I personally love most ice cream flavours I've tried even if I hate or dislike some of them, and there are many I haven't tried either" instead, so we wouldn't get into an argument how I wasn't really precise. And it's ok to disagree too, which is where we are at it seems.

eesmith 4y ago
Under your ice cream analogy: "Ice cream is associated with nuts." "Here's a list of ice cream flavors which do no contain nuts." "You're both right because all of these those ice cream flavors contain either nuts or chocolate." "These four flavors from the list contain neither nuts nor chocolate. And here are five more flavors that contain neither nuts nor chocolate .. and I know that ice cream with nuts exist because here's one with nuts." Ice cream is significantly more associated with chocolate than with nuts. Apartment living is significantly more associated with city living than with living in "the ghetto." Our most recent (and rich) ex-president raised his kids in an apartment in the city.