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> The "We are the 99%!" crowd were decidedly left, but that is beside the point. That was more than 10 years ago though. A lot has changed in the decade+ since
by skissane 4y ago
> The "We are the 99%!" crowd were decidedly left, but that is beside the point.
That was more than 10 years ago though. A lot has changed in the decade+ since. 2023 “progressivism” differs in many ways from its 2011 incarnation, to the point that you have to ask if it is still the same thing, or has evolved (or been hijacked) into something else
> I said I see no difference of substance between class, race, and sexuality insofar as politics is concerned, it's all identity politics all the way down.
“Identity politics” isn’t exclusive to “the Left” however-nationalism is a form of “identity politics” too, and while there are “left” versions of it, the majority of it is usually considered “right”. White nationalism,
Christian nationalism, Kahanism, Islamism, Nazism, “men’s rights activists”, “incels”, etc - all are examples of “right-wing identity politics”. So, defining “left” in terms of “identity politics” doesn’t work
- Dalewyn 4y agoYou still haven't answered my argument; given you're trying to evade and reframe again, I'll assume you can't actually answer me.
- skissane 4y agoI have answered your argument. The only person “trying to evade” here is you.
- Dalewyn 4y agoYou keep talking about lefts and rights, while I'm saying I don't see any difference of substance between class, race, and sexuality insofar as it regards to politics. At best you're misunderstanding, at worst you're disingenuous, and either way you aren't carrying your half of the conversation.
- skissane 4y agoI’m talking about “left” because how to define that term is the topic of conversation. And I don’t see how could can define “left” without defining “right” - the two terms have always existed as a pair.