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To ensure vaccines work properly, men should get a good night’s sleep

helsinkiandrew 4y ago
https://archive.ph/Cqcpb https://archive.ph/Cqcpb
sendfoods 4y ago
Very interesting. There is some evidence (to my limited knowledge, please correct me if I'm wrong) that testosterone has some immune-inhibiting properties and women's immune systems are more reactive. Can this simply be a case of men's immune systems reacting to the antibodies at a slower pace?
- iz_zi 4y ago
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  - Brigand 4y ago
    HN is a great resource for exchanging ideas, knowledge, and valuable insights. I believe we can keep it that way by fostering a social and friendly atmosphere.
    - iz_zi 4y ago
      You’re stuck up because I called someone out for making statements about gender science and not citing their sources. Go shove your words up as far as your head~
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- jml78 4y ago
  Women are more prone to autoimmune diseases as well.
jamesredd 4y ago
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- Reason077 4y ago
  Yeah, now they’re teaming up with the sleep lobby? These pro-vaxxers will stop at nothing to improve our health and save lives. Who’s funding these studies anyway? Bed manufacturers? Always follow the money!
inglor_cz 4y ago
People should get a good night's sleep anyway. This includes the adolescents for whom the school starts way too early.
- Traubenfuchs 4y ago
  > This includes the adolescents for whom the school starts way too early. Unfortunately, societies interest in improving public health is non existent even with plenty of low cost, high reward actions that are known and proven beyond doubt.
t344344 4y ago
Maybe they should also exercise, eat healthy, not be obese, avoid stress... All of that may boost vaccine effect! That does not apply to women, because they are gorgeous, and we should not tell them what to do. What a garbage!
- Brigand 4y ago
  It’s the data that shows the situation for women is less clear. This is good advice: when getting vaccinated make sure to get a good night sleep. Why the outrage?
  - t344344 4y ago
    Did you read the paragraph about women? It says there was too much noise in data, they could not measure positive effect of sleep! What conclusions medical professional would derive from that? Secondly I really do not like the overall tone of the article.
    - moreresearchplz 4y ago
      > What conclusions medical professional would derive from that? More research. Which is exactly what they plead for in their paper.
    - is_true 4y ago
      That's how science works. They tried to reduce uncertainty, they couldn't, now they have to try something else.
    - AlecSchueler 4y ago
      This is a constant problem in studying the effects of medicine. For years we've simply ignored women's bodies (default man) in many studies but we're increasingly seeing reasons why that's not such a good idea. Really recommend the book Invisible Women by Caroline Criado Perez to anyone interested in this and the problems that stem from it for women.
- astrange 4y ago
thuridas 4y ago
It makes a lot of sense. Stress and lack off sleep affect the immunitary system. And imagine if we could improve the effectiveness of vaccines in half of the world population by applying then in the right moment of them menstrual cycle.
DeathArrow 4y ago
I will conjecture that for anything to work properly is good to have a good night's sleep. :)
bluenose69 4y ago
The actual paper is available in PDF form at https://www.cell.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0960-9822%2823%2900156-2 https://www.cell.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0960-9822%2823%2900..., in case anybody wants to look at the statistics.
chillbill 4y ago
How to Lie with Statistics 101: It's self reported short sleep and a tiny sample size of 299 people aged 18 to 65. Smells like BS.
fithisux 4y ago
Oh, not again :-(
petodo 4y ago
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https://archive.ph/Cqcpb https://archive.ph/Cqcpb

Very interesting. There is some evidence (to my limited knowledge, please correct me if I'm wrong) that testosterone has some immune-inhibiting properties and women's immune systems are more reactive. Can this simply be a case of men's immune systems reacting to the antibodies at a slower pace?

iz_zi 4y ago
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- Brigand 4y ago
  HN is a great resource for exchanging ideas, knowledge, and valuable insights. I believe we can keep it that way by fostering a social and friendly atmosphere.
  - iz_zi 4y ago
    You’re stuck up because I called someone out for making statements about gender science and not citing their sources. Go shove your words up as far as your head~
  - iz_zi 4y ago
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jml78 4y ago
Women are more prone to autoimmune diseases as well.

jamesredd 4y ago

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Reason077 4y ago
Yeah, now they’re teaming up with the sleep lobby? These pro-vaxxers will stop at nothing to improve our health and save lives. Who’s funding these studies anyway? Bed manufacturers? Always follow the money!

inglor_cz 4y ago

People should get a good night's sleep anyway. This includes the adolescents for whom the school starts way too early.

Traubenfuchs 4y ago
> This includes the adolescents for whom the school starts way too early. Unfortunately, societies interest in improving public health is non existent even with plenty of low cost, high reward actions that are known and proven beyond doubt.

t344344 4y ago

Maybe they should also exercise, eat healthy, not be obese, avoid stress... All of that may boost vaccine effect! That does not apply to women, because they are gorgeous, and we should not tell them what to do. What a garbage!

Brigand 4y ago
It’s the data that shows the situation for women is less clear. This is good advice: when getting vaccinated make sure to get a good night sleep. Why the outrage?
- t344344 4y ago
  Did you read the paragraph about women? It says there was too much noise in data, they could not measure positive effect of sleep! What conclusions medical professional would derive from that? Secondly I really do not like the overall tone of the article.
  - moreresearchplz 4y ago
    > What conclusions medical professional would derive from that? More research. Which is exactly what they plead for in their paper.
  - is_true 4y ago
    That's how science works. They tried to reduce uncertainty, they couldn't, now they have to try something else.
  - AlecSchueler 4y ago
    This is a constant problem in studying the effects of medicine. For years we've simply ignored women's bodies (default man) in many studies but we're increasingly seeing reasons why that's not such a good idea. Really recommend the book Invisible Women by Caroline Criado Perez to anyone interested in this and the problems that stem from it for women.
astrange 4y ago

thuridas 4y ago

It makes a lot of sense. Stress and lack off sleep affect the immunitary system. And imagine if we could improve the effectiveness of vaccines in half of the world population by applying then in the right moment of them menstrual cycle.

DeathArrow 4y ago

I will conjecture that for anything to work properly is good to have a good night's sleep. :)

bluenose69 4y ago

The actual paper is available in PDF form at https://www.cell.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0960-9822%2823%2900156-2 https://www.cell.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0960-9822%2823%2900..., in case anybody wants to look at the statistics.

chillbill 4y ago

How to Lie with Statistics 101: It's self reported short sleep and a tiny sample size of 299 people aged 18 to 65. Smells like BS.

fithisux 4y ago

Oh, not again :-(

petodo 4y ago

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