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Note that Desmond has been widely criticized for focusing on a poverty measure that does not include the impact of government transfers. If you include these an

Note that Desmond has been widely criticized for focusing on a poverty measure that does not include the impact of government transfers. If you include these anti-poverty programs, rates of poverty have declined significantly since the 70s: https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2023/3/10/23632910/poverty-official-supplemental-relative-absolute-measure-desmond https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2023/3/10/23632910/povert...

refurb 4y ago
Yup. They do this with equality measures as well - ignore government transfers. Seems like an intentional “cooking the numbers to look as bad as possible” to me.
djrobstep 4y ago
No they haven't, and that's not what the article says. This is a good video response from Matt Bruenig that goes into these stats in detail: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWBdFHA8KvU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWBdFHA8KvU
- notch898a 4y ago
  This guy Matt Brueig says EITC and child tax credit skip the poor. I think this guy may be a trolling by trying to convince me these things don't help the poor thus they should be repealed. He also says health care doesn't count as bills so it shouldn't count. I honestly can't tell if this guy is just so fucking rich he has no clue what's going on, or he's trolling.
  - djrobstep 4y ago
    Are you familiar with these programs at all? They contain a “phase-in” design that means they deliberately give less (or even nothing at all) the very poorest.
    - notch898a 4y ago
      The way he phrased it made it sound like EITC drawers aren't poor, and that's why it doesn't count. If the people earning it are poor, it should count towards figures that are helping the poor. It's also worth noting some programs phase out below the EITC phaseouts, so EITC helps keep these people from falling off a cliff on the income producing side or being punished too harshly for earning more money, while simultaneously providing additional benefits that financially incentivize employment. I don't agree with Brueig here, but if his claims EITC, Medicaid, and CTC don't help alleviate poverty that's a damn strong argument he's making to eliminate them.
      - djrobstep 4y ago
        > If the people earning it are poor, it should count towards figures that are helping the poor Did you read what I wrote at all?
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refurb 4y ago

Yup. They do this with equality measures as well - ignore government transfers. Seems like an intentional “cooking the numbers to look as bad as possible” to me.

djrobstep 4y ago

No they haven't, and that's not what the article says. This is a good video response from Matt Bruenig that goes into these stats in detail: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWBdFHA8KvU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWBdFHA8KvU

notch898a 4y ago
This guy Matt Brueig says EITC and child tax credit skip the poor. I think this guy may be a trolling by trying to convince me these things don't help the poor thus they should be repealed. He also says health care doesn't count as bills so it shouldn't count. I honestly can't tell if this guy is just so fucking rich he has no clue what's going on, or he's trolling.
- djrobstep 4y ago
  Are you familiar with these programs at all? They contain a “phase-in” design that means they deliberately give less (or even nothing at all) the very poorest.
  - notch898a 4y ago
    The way he phrased it made it sound like EITC drawers aren't poor, and that's why it doesn't count. If the people earning it are poor, it should count towards figures that are helping the poor. It's also worth noting some programs phase out below the EITC phaseouts, so EITC helps keep these people from falling off a cliff on the income producing side or being punished too harshly for earning more money, while simultaneously providing additional benefits that financially incentivize employment. I don't agree with Brueig here, but if his claims EITC, Medicaid, and CTC don't help alleviate poverty that's a damn strong argument he's making to eliminate them.
    - djrobstep 4y ago
      > If the people earning it are poor, it should count towards figures that are helping the poor Did you read what I wrote at all?

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