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> Not about deforestation or extinction, etc. If you do something, and you're not forced to do that, it's just your choice to do it, and it leads to the extinc

by myshpa 4y ago

> Not about deforestation or extinction, etc. If you do something, and you're not forced to do that, it's just your choice to do it, and it leads to the extinction (ad absurdum), is it a moral (or logical) thing to do? > the problem is just flat out too many people not what they choose to eat ??? > No more immoral than growing wheat just to cut it down You're driving a car, too fast, and in a moment have to choose ... will you kill few lambs or destroy few rose shrubs ? If you choose lambs, ask your kid what you should do ... he'll know instantly. > those are not convincing arguments ditto

fargle 4y ago
> You're driving a car, too fast, and in a moment have to choose Did you really just try to reframe the trolley problem with lambs and rosebushes? So it's not an either or. I choose to drive my large heavy vehicles in a very safe and reasonable manner to maximize my chances to avoid running into herds of sheep or other livestock. If I had to choose between livestock and smashing my bumper on a pole, I would choose avoid the livestock of course. If they were headed to market tomorrow, it'd be the same 100%. My children all eat veal and lamb but love roses too and are fairly ambivalent about poles and bumpers. They are not confused by any of this. If I read them your arguments and explained your beliefs, they would also know instantly that you have lead a very sheltered life and would feel a little sorry for you. It isn't really that hard to understand right and wrong. > ditto Well I'm not trying to convince you because you are clearly delusional. I'm pointing out to other, rational, people the gaping flaws in your arguments. I feel that wide-eyed idealistic activists are over-represented in these comments and I'm trying to ensure that nobody forgets that most people don't agree with these positions.
- myshpa 4y ago
  Just diatribes ... have a nice life.
  - fargle 4y ago
    Oh, well I don't mind at all responding to your diatribes, whether I believe they are specious and misguided or not. I see it as a useful way to expand peoples viewpoints. I have had a lovely life so far and plan on continuing to do so for a long time. I wish you the same, I hope that stressing out over every other person's morality and the multi-generational future of human race does not continue to cause you undue stress.

by myshpa 4y ago

fargle 4y ago

> You're driving a car, too fast, and in a moment have to choose Did you really just try to reframe the trolley problem with lambs and rosebushes? So it's not an either or. I choose to drive my large heavy vehicles in a very safe and reasonable manner to maximize my chances to avoid running into herds of sheep or other livestock. If I had to choose between livestock and smashing my bumper on a pole, I would choose avoid the livestock of course. If they were headed to market tomorrow, it'd be the same 100%. My children all eat veal and lamb but love roses too and are fairly ambivalent about poles and bumpers. They are not confused by any of this. If I read them your arguments and explained your beliefs, they would also know instantly that you have lead a very sheltered life and would feel a little sorry for you. It isn't really that hard to understand right and wrong. > ditto Well I'm not trying to convince you because you are clearly delusional. I'm pointing out to other, rational, people the gaping flaws in your arguments. I feel that wide-eyed idealistic activists are over-represented in these comments and I'm trying to ensure that nobody forgets that most people don't agree with these positions.

myshpa 4y ago
Just diatribes ... have a nice life.
- fargle 4y ago
  Oh, well I don't mind at all responding to your diatribes, whether I believe they are specious and misguided or not. I see it as a useful way to expand peoples viewpoints. I have had a lovely life so far and plan on continuing to do so for a long time. I wish you the same, I hope that stressing out over every other person's morality and the multi-generational future of human race does not continue to cause you undue stress.