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While I appreciate your ability to make appeals to authority, particularly those who agree with you, those are not convincing arguments. The conversation is ab
by fargle 4y ago
While I appreciate your ability to make appeals to authority, particularly those who agree with you, those are not convincing arguments.
The conversation is about whether there is a Moral Paradox involved in eating animals while believing you are a moral person. Not about deforestation or extinction, etc. If you ask me, by the way, the problem is just flat out too many people not what they choose to eat.
Every living thing eats something. Plants? Other animals? Decayed dead animals and plants? (dirt) Something. I don't subscribe to a moral theory that makes ones own existence immoral, nor a moral theory that makes every other animal's existence immoral. So eating other previously living things is itself not fundamentally immoral.
If you want to say how we do so matters, then I don't completely disagree. There certainly exist people and groups of people who behave immorally in all sorts of ways and that includes being cruel or wasteful with all different kinds of natural resources, including animals. So these people are behaving immorally and badly. But I do believe, on my own observations, that the overwhelming majority of meat farming in the developed nations is not cruel. It sometimes isn't pretty, but it isn't cruel or immoral - it's a job and a crop. No more immoral than growing wheat just to cut it down.
When I buy 1/2 of a pig that my neighbor butchers, that I watched grow up running around in the pen next door, there's nothing wrong with that. In fact I have a lot more respect for that then people who know nothing about agriculture or animals pretending that, on the basis of some moral theory, they know better how the rest of us should behave and believe.
- myshpa 4y ago> Not about deforestation or extinction, etc. If you do something, and you're not forced to do that, it's just your choice to do it, and it leads to the extinction (ad absurdum), is it a moral (or logical) thing to do? > the problem is just flat out too many people not what they choose to eat ??? > No more immoral than growing wheat just to cut it down You're driving a car, too fast, and in a moment have to choose ... will you kill few lambs or destroy few rose shrubs ? If you choose lambs, ask your kid what you should do ... he'll know instantly. > those are not convincing arguments ditto
- fargle 4y ago> You're driving a car, too fast, and in a moment have to choose Did you really just try to reframe the trolley problem with lambs and rosebushes? So it's not an either or. I choose to drive my large heavy vehicles in a very safe and reasonable manner to maximize my chances to avoid running into herds of sheep or other livestock. If I had to choose between livestock and smashing my bumper on a pole, I would choose avoid the livestock of course. If they were headed to market tomorrow, it'd be the same 100%. My children all eat veal and lamb but love roses too and are fairly ambivalent about poles and bumpers. They are not confused by any of this. If I read them your arguments and explained your beliefs, they would also know instantly that you have lead a very sheltered life and would feel a little sorry for you. It isn't really that hard to understand right and wrong. > ditto Well I'm not trying to convince you because you are clearly delusional. I'm pointing out to other, rational, people the gaping flaws in your arguments. I feel that wide-eyed idealistic activists are over-represented in these comments and I'm trying to ensure that nobody forgets that most people don't agree with these positions.
- myshpa 4y agoJust diatribes ... have a nice life.
- fargle 4y agoOh, well I don't mind at all responding to your diatribes, whether I believe they are specious and misguided or not. I see it as a useful way to expand peoples viewpoints. I have had a lovely life so far and plan on continuing to do so for a long time. I wish you the same, I hope that stressing out over every other person's morality and the multi-generational future of human race does not continue to cause you undue stress.