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I mean how you perceive the tool is relevant as well. It's just self delusion and denial. It's obvious if your productivity increases because of AI it diminish

I mean how you perceive the tool is relevant as well. It's just self delusion and denial. It's obvious if your productivity increases because of AI it diminishes the need of another person's productivity. You give everyone more AI tools you could increase productivity to levels beyond what is necessary. If some productivity isn't necessary it's laid off. Simple logic. It's quite obvious. It's just people have a fascination and love for this technology such that they need to construct a delusional narrative that validates their love and validates their moral imperatives. But deep down they know, because it's really really straightforward the consequences of any tool like this.

joefourier 4y ago
Increased efficiency leads to more demand, not less. This is known as the Jevons paradox in economics (see: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox). The historical precedent would be for increased productivity to lead to more software being developed, not the same amount but by fewer developers.
- HervalFreire 4y ago
  Except how did the company go bankrupt then? This paradox only occurs if every resource is abundant. We tend to see it a lot (especially in the last decade) because of the easy money policies by the Fed in the last decade or so. Following your example, if we have unlimited money and gas prices are cheap, we buy more gas. But with limited money, when gas gets cheaper, we don't buy more gas, we usually allocate more money for more essentials. The scenario with a bankruptcy is largely parallel to what we're seeing recently with interest rates and the lay offs. Free money is being tightened. With limited money the paradox no longer functions. Big tech is not going to hire people to write existing software they can get on the open source world, so they let go of a bunch of people. You can literally see the two curves correlate ever since interest rates started to rise... Open source projects are going up right now while lay offs are also increasing... violating the paradox.
  - joefourier 4y ago
    The Jevons paradox was noted in the 19th century when the world was far less wealthy than today. Recent American monetary policy has little relevance. There’s many more examples if you look up induced demand - a similar effect is the Downs–Thomson paradox, where adding more roads increases traffic congestion in the long term. You may see a short term improvement (the same way a struggling company that increases productivity will let go of employees) but eventually a new equilibrium is reached.
    - HervalFreire 4y ago
      But the problem is we see opposite trends as well. We see paradoxical trends and trends that are not. It just means the paradox can sometimes occur it does not mean the paradox is a general rule.

joefourier 4y ago

Increased efficiency leads to more demand, not less. This is known as the Jevons paradox in economics (see: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox). The historical precedent would be for increased productivity to lead to more software being developed, not the same amount but by fewer developers.

HervalFreire 4y ago
Except how did the company go bankrupt then? This paradox only occurs if every resource is abundant. We tend to see it a lot (especially in the last decade) because of the easy money policies by the Fed in the last decade or so. Following your example, if we have unlimited money and gas prices are cheap, we buy more gas. But with limited money, when gas gets cheaper, we don't buy more gas, we usually allocate more money for more essentials. The scenario with a bankruptcy is largely parallel to what we're seeing recently with interest rates and the lay offs. Free money is being tightened. With limited money the paradox no longer functions. Big tech is not going to hire people to write existing software they can get on the open source world, so they let go of a bunch of people. You can literally see the two curves correlate ever since interest rates started to rise... Open source projects are going up right now while lay offs are also increasing... violating the paradox.
- joefourier 4y ago
  The Jevons paradox was noted in the 19th century when the world was far less wealthy than today. Recent American monetary policy has little relevance. There’s many more examples if you look up induced demand - a similar effect is the Downs–Thomson paradox, where adding more roads increases traffic congestion in the long term. You may see a short term improvement (the same way a struggling company that increases productivity will let go of employees) but eventually a new equilibrium is reached.
  - HervalFreire 4y ago
    But the problem is we see opposite trends as well. We see paradoxical trends and trends that are not. It just means the paradox can sometimes occur it does not mean the paradox is a general rule.