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> In the previous design I had to re-Google English version of the page. Now it's one click in the toolbar. That's because it was a different page about the sa

> In the previous design I had to re-Google English version of the page. Now it's one click in the toolbar. That's because it was a different page about the same thing. Pages in other languages aren't and shouldn't be translations. Now the Spanish page for Cheems is probably at risk of being merged into the Doge page because that's what happened on the English Wikipedia because Cheems isn't as popular with English speakers.

reisse 4y ago
> That's because it was a different page about the same thing. I don't see how being "different page about the same thing" justifies lack of the language switch. > Pages in other languages aren't and shouldn't be translations. That's a straw man. I didn't say they are or they should be.
- benatkin 4y ago
  there's no language switch, they're different pages unless they're determined to be about the same thing. shoehorning them into a 1:1 mapping is toxic. > That's a straw man. I didn't say they are or they should be. I didn't say or imply you said that, just that it could be a result of the new policy. > This has always been the case, and the rollout of a new skin certainly hasn't changed that. Often concerns are about things that haven't happened before, and yet they still come true. For instance the pandemic was full of firsts.
duskwuff 4y ago
> Now the Spanish page for Cheems is probably at risk of being merged into the Doge page because that's what happened on the English Wikipedia because Cheems isn't as popular with English speakers. Why would you think that? Each language's Wikipedia is a separate project with its own administration and its own criteria for notability. This has always been the case, and the rollout of a new skin certainly hasn't changed that.
- benatkin 4y ago
  ...because a contingent of people think there should be an easier way than a search engine to switch which language you're viewing a page in, even when it hasn't been marked as being the same. This prefers (but doesn't necessarily mandate) a 1:1 mapping. I think a search engine is appropriate.
  - duskwuff 4y ago
    Interlanguage links on Wikipedia have existed since 2002. They are not a new feature. Literally the only thing which has changed about them with this skin rollout is that they are now shown in a dropdown at the top of the page, rather than on the sidebar or at the bottom of the page.
    - benatkin 4y ago
      And the expectation that there should be links for pretty much every topic for which there is content on both sites...
      - duskwuff 4y ago
        That expectation has always existed, and interlangage links have been maintained centrally in Wikidata since 2012.
  - jdlshore 4y ago
    Your reaction here is a bit overblown. Do you often have concerns about imagined futures? If so, you might want to look into a condition called "anticipatory anxiety."

reisse 4y ago

> That's because it was a different page about the same thing. I don't see how being "different page about the same thing" justifies lack of the language switch. > Pages in other languages aren't and shouldn't be translations. That's a straw man. I didn't say they are or they should be.

benatkin 4y ago
there's no language switch, they're different pages unless they're determined to be about the same thing. shoehorning them into a 1:1 mapping is toxic. > That's a straw man. I didn't say they are or they should be. I didn't say or imply you said that, just that it could be a result of the new policy. > This has always been the case, and the rollout of a new skin certainly hasn't changed that. Often concerns are about things that haven't happened before, and yet they still come true. For instance the pandemic was full of firsts.

duskwuff 4y ago

> Now the Spanish page for Cheems is probably at risk of being merged into the Doge page because that's what happened on the English Wikipedia because Cheems isn't as popular with English speakers. Why would you think that? Each language's Wikipedia is a separate project with its own administration and its own criteria for notability. This has always been the case, and the rollout of a new skin certainly hasn't changed that.

benatkin 4y ago
...because a contingent of people think there should be an easier way than a search engine to switch which language you're viewing a page in, even when it hasn't been marked as being the same. This prefers (but doesn't necessarily mandate) a 1:1 mapping. I think a search engine is appropriate.
- duskwuff 4y ago
  Interlanguage links on Wikipedia have existed since 2002. They are not a new feature. Literally the only thing which has changed about them with this skin rollout is that they are now shown in a dropdown at the top of the page, rather than on the sidebar or at the bottom of the page.
  - benatkin 4y ago
    And the expectation that there should be links for pretty much every topic for which there is content on both sites...
    - duskwuff 4y ago
      That expectation has always existed, and interlangage links have been maintained centrally in Wikidata since 2012.
- jdlshore 4y ago
  Your reaction here is a bit overblown. Do you often have concerns about imagined futures? If so, you might want to look into a condition called "anticipatory anxiety."