> That's a one second problem; just give back the value via VAR parameter Ah yes. "Just". And these people accuse other languages of having complex syntaxes o

> That's a one second problem; just give back the value via VAR parameter Ah yes. "Just". And these people accuse other languages of having complex syntaxes or complexities in general. > what do you think one cannot do with the Oberon approach I think it's obvious what I wrote. You can't wrap blocks of code, to do that you need to extract it into a proc that among other things (like actual params passed to it needs an additional parameter) needs an awkward `out` parameter etc. Is the result sorta kinda equivalent to Javas? If you squint hard enough, yes > That's the Pascal philosophy; even an index variable of a FOR loop has to be declared up front in the declaration section I know the Pascal philosophy: create awkward verbose languages with useless constraints while claiming it's for the sake of simplicity. > but the language would become much more complex and it doesn't make sense to just rebuild C++ or Java. 1. There's nothing wrong with complexity 2. There a multiple languages that don't have Pascal/Oberon's constraints, decisions, and awkward workarounds which are neither Java nor C++