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> The point is that sprawl is bad for the humanity, but if you see humanity as blight then letting it sprawl is probably the faster way to exterminate it. Wher

> The point is that sprawl is bad for the humanity, but if you see humanity as blight then letting it sprawl is probably the faster way to exterminate it. Where is your evidence for this? This is nothing but a supposition. > They already exist, go to Singapore or a few other places and see. Ah yes, the country that maintains the peace by handing out the death penalty for 30 grams of cocaine. Truly a model society. On a side note, you should make up your mind about whether these places exist or not. > The fact that you want to buy a gun and walk around with it shooting people wouldn’t make it an OK thing to do, and doesn’t mean it suddenly falls within the accepted meaning of the word “comfort” (though admittedly it is an analogy, which based on your first paragraph you may have trouble understanding). LMAO. This deliberately emotionally charged "analogy" is only relevant if you've bothered to first establish that rural living is harmful to others, which you haven't even attempted to do. You expect me to take it for granted that a cabin in the woods spells Armageddon, and that the only remedy is for all of humanity to hand over their autonomy to people like you. Thankfully you're a nobody, and I can go happily about my day knowing you'll never be entrusted with the tiniest fraction of the authority necessary to carry out this disgusting plan :)

strogonoff 4y ago
> evidence We’re talking about the article. The interviewee thinks so. I agree. We have to agree on this or it’s pointless to argue. I believe it is blindingly obvious, personally. > if you've bothered to first establish that rural living is harmful to others It is, from what I’ve seen. People bore themselves to drink, drugs. IMO suburban hell is one of the big reasons US has so many mentally ill people shooting other people. Too much time to be locked away from wider community, with just yourself and a couple of other people. Existence in your own little reservation, and outside of it locking yourself into a metal box on wheels. > You expect me to take it for granted It is the premise of the argument. Disagree on the premise and there’s no point.
- roarcher 4y ago
  > The interviewee thinks so. And he also provided no evidence. He cites a few facts about climate change and then makes a massive logical leap to "everyone needs to move to the city". No attempt to imagine how current lifestyles could be adapted (not forcibly uprooted) to meet environmental needs. Just the lazy false dichotomy of "move to the city or destroy the planet". > It is, from what I’ve seen. Nobody cares. From what I've seen, it isn't. Anecdote, meet anecdote. I'm not trying to force people to live differently based on my personal opinion. You are. See the difference? I also find it absolutely baffling that you think cities don't have massive problems with drug addiction, mental illness, and forms of general life dissatisfaction like boredom and existential angst. I would think someone who loves living in them as much as you do would be well acquainted with, you know, the realities of living in them. You describe them as places where everyone is happy, temperate, and full of purpose. Where is this gleaming city full of self-actualized ubermensch that I've somehow never heard of? You're describing a fantasy.
  - strogonoff 4y ago
    > And he also provided no evidence He was not asked for evidence. Think why. > Nobody cares Many people do. You don’t. We get it. Hopefully you don’t have any descendants or sociopathy runs strong enough in you that foreseeing their distress does not cause you any. > I also find it absolutely baffling that you think cities don't have massive problems with drug addiction, mental illness, and forms of general life dissatisfaction like boredom and existential angst These things characterize some cities. They also characterize some suburban communities. If you think about it, it will transpire that the actual problem is not density but other factors (such as the history of slave ownership and resulting immigration/assimilation issues catching up). My experience is of course anecdotal, like yours, but I have observed much fewer of these issues, in proportion to population numbers, in well-designed dense areas than I did even in gentrified suburbia.
    - roarcher 4y ago
      > He was not asked for evidence. Think why. Because he has none, obviously. I'm sorry, was this supposed to be witty? If the author's conclusions are so obvious then presenting evidence should be easy. > Many people do. You don’t. I'm obviously talking about your personal negative experience of small town life. Argue about the environmental effects of urban sprawl all you want, but trust me when I say that precisely zero people are going to move to the city because you didn't like your neighbors that one time you lived in suburbia. That's what nobody gives a shit about. Do you realize how staggeringly narcissistic it is to present that as a reason other people should abandon rural life? "Chocolate ice cream should be outlawed because it's bad for the environment AND because I don't like the way it tastes." Do you not see anything patently fucking ridiculous about that statement?

strogonoff 4y ago

> evidence We’re talking about the article. The interviewee thinks so. I agree. We have to agree on this or it’s pointless to argue. I believe it is blindingly obvious, personally. > if you've bothered to first establish that rural living is harmful to others It is, from what I’ve seen. People bore themselves to drink, drugs. IMO suburban hell is one of the big reasons US has so many mentally ill people shooting other people. Too much time to be locked away from wider community, with just yourself and a couple of other people. Existence in your own little reservation, and outside of it locking yourself into a metal box on wheels. > You expect me to take it for granted It is the premise of the argument. Disagree on the premise and there’s no point.

roarcher 4y ago
> The interviewee thinks so. And he also provided no evidence. He cites a few facts about climate change and then makes a massive logical leap to "everyone needs to move to the city". No attempt to imagine how current lifestyles could be adapted (not forcibly uprooted) to meet environmental needs. Just the lazy false dichotomy of "move to the city or destroy the planet". > It is, from what I’ve seen. Nobody cares. From what I've seen, it isn't. Anecdote, meet anecdote. I'm not trying to force people to live differently based on my personal opinion. You are. See the difference? I also find it absolutely baffling that you think cities don't have massive problems with drug addiction, mental illness, and forms of general life dissatisfaction like boredom and existential angst. I would think someone who loves living in them as much as you do would be well acquainted with, you know, the realities of living in them. You describe them as places where everyone is happy, temperate, and full of purpose. Where is this gleaming city full of self-actualized ubermensch that I've somehow never heard of? You're describing a fantasy.
- strogonoff 4y ago
  > And he also provided no evidence He was not asked for evidence. Think why. > Nobody cares Many people do. You don’t. We get it. Hopefully you don’t have any descendants or sociopathy runs strong enough in you that foreseeing their distress does not cause you any. > I also find it absolutely baffling that you think cities don't have massive problems with drug addiction, mental illness, and forms of general life dissatisfaction like boredom and existential angst These things characterize some cities. They also characterize some suburban communities. If you think about it, it will transpire that the actual problem is not density but other factors (such as the history of slave ownership and resulting immigration/assimilation issues catching up). My experience is of course anecdotal, like yours, but I have observed much fewer of these issues, in proportion to population numbers, in well-designed dense areas than I did even in gentrified suburbia.
  - roarcher 4y ago
    > He was not asked for evidence. Think why. Because he has none, obviously. I'm sorry, was this supposed to be witty? If the author's conclusions are so obvious then presenting evidence should be easy. > Many people do. You don’t. I'm obviously talking about your personal negative experience of small town life. Argue about the environmental effects of urban sprawl all you want, but trust me when I say that precisely zero people are going to move to the city because you didn't like your neighbors that one time you lived in suburbia. That's what nobody gives a shit about. Do you realize how staggeringly narcissistic it is to present that as a reason other people should abandon rural life? "Chocolate ice cream should be outlawed because it's bad for the environment AND because I don't like the way it tastes." Do you not see anything patently fucking ridiculous about that statement?