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Your tone comes off as very adversarial/angry. Intentional or not? The claim is about the likelihood of more efficient approaches existing, not about the subjec

by saiojd 4y ago

Your tone comes off as very adversarial/angry. Intentional or not? The claim is about the likelihood of more efficient approaches existing, not about the subjective qualifier preceding it (misunderstanding?). Yes, NNs have existed for a while now, but they will also exist for a long time forward in the future (hence the perhaps poor choice of word: infancy). "if you want to know whether neural nets are in their 'infancy' you shouldn't make 'observations'" -> I think you have understood this as "neural networks did not exist before" when what I meant is "neural networks will still change a lot in the future" I was interested in discussing, specifically: will NNs continue scaling up in size in the near/long term. In answer to the statement "the training costs will exceed all the compute capacity in existence", I added "it is very likely that more efficient approaches exist.". You replied that NNs have existed for a long time, and that because of this, it is a complete fantasy that more efficient approaches exist. Do you feel like this is a fair assessment or no?

YeGoblynQueenne 4y ago
My problem is that I read what people write on HN and treat it with the same seriousness and respect I want people to treat my comments, when the majority are only saying whatever comes to their mind just to make some sort of impression. Then when I point out some obvious error, people freak out and get defensive because they never expected anyone to take them seriously, they're just spouting off whatever without really thinking. And then they try to wiggle out of the conversation, just like you're doing right now, pretending that you were misunderstood. Well, my mistake then for taking you seriously. Many apologies. You can rest assured it won't happen again.
- saiojd 4y ago
  I feel very sad reading this. You are absolutely correct that I view HN as watercooler where I make hyperbolic statements, but incorrect when you say that that I did not take you seriously. I was frustrated because I felt like you were latching on to a figure of speech just to be argumentative instead of trying to understand what I meant (I was not trying to say that neural networks are literally new, I was trying to say that we have no proof that the parameter to flop ratio is even close to optimal because architectures are still changing a lot). You are right that neural networks are not in their infancy. Best wishes.

by saiojd 4y ago

YeGoblynQueenne 4y ago

My problem is that I read what people write on HN and treat it with the same seriousness and respect I want people to treat my comments, when the majority are only saying whatever comes to their mind just to make some sort of impression. Then when I point out some obvious error, people freak out and get defensive because they never expected anyone to take them seriously, they're just spouting off whatever without really thinking. And then they try to wiggle out of the conversation, just like you're doing right now, pretending that you were misunderstood. Well, my mistake then for taking you seriously. Many apologies. You can rest assured it won't happen again.

saiojd 4y ago
I feel very sad reading this. You are absolutely correct that I view HN as watercooler where I make hyperbolic statements, but incorrect when you say that that I did not take you seriously. I was frustrated because I felt like you were latching on to a figure of speech just to be argumentative instead of trying to understand what I meant (I was not trying to say that neural networks are literally new, I was trying to say that we have no proof that the parameter to flop ratio is even close to optimal because architectures are still changing a lot). You are right that neural networks are not in their infancy. Best wishes.